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Walking Back In Time From 1600 To Antiquity By Decades (V2.0)

 
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 Posted 02/02/2018  3:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1c5d7n5m to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Spence and tdziemia

interesting to see dates in the 14.. on the double briquets !
what type of numbers in the date have been used?

the Bern coin of yesterday is a gem
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 Posted 02/02/2018  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1c5d, it is regular arabic numerals on the Brabant double briquets (not Roman), though the 4 is written in an unusual way.
I was lucky to live in Brussels for a few years in the 1990s and spend some time chez Jean Elsen learning about both numismatics and history in that part of the world. Really a special opportunity I will not forget.

The Bern coin required me to review my finances and numismatic priorities, but once in hand ... well, we all know how that goes.

jbuck, thank you and I am embarassed that the problem is that the window gets hidden behind other open windows (my bad).
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02/02/2018 8:44 pm
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 Posted 02/03/2018  03:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1c5d7n5m to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
tdziemia: indeed, spending time with the Elsen family (today his two sons are very active in the company) is a very good way to discover many beautiful European coins
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 Posted 02/03/2018  07:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As we pass through the 15th Century, we will see many examples of non-standard numerals and numbering systems for writing the date.

However, for today, my coin just has the usual numbers. This is a Horngroschen from the German Duchy of Saxe-Wittenburg dated 1468 AD. The obv inscription is "E A D G DVCS TVR L MARCH HIS 68" while the rev inscription is very similar "W D G DVX TVR L MARCH HIS". It is attributed as Levinson I-119 and was minted in Freiberg.

Tomorrow brings us back to the decade of the 1450s. In the meanwhile, I hope to see some more coins from the 1460s!


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02/03/2018 07:05 am
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 Posted 02/03/2018  08:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice! Wittenberg was very much in the news last year, due to the 500th anniversary of the seminal event of the Protestant Reformation, which occurred there.

1c5d: Indeed, it was Olivier who took the time to teach me some things. So I am now a 20 year customer.

Well, I have exhausted my 15th century dated coins, but this undated Brabant florin (Antwerp mint), also from the reign of Charles and hence bracketed by the years 1467-1477 fits. Friedberg 33.
Obv: KAROL DX BG BRAB Z LI
Rev: SANCTVS ANDREAS
Saint Andrew was the brother of Peter, and the second apostle called by Jesus. According to Christian tradition, he was crucified but requested his martyrdom occur on a different type of cross (X shaped).


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 Posted 02/03/2018  08:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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different type of cross


Interesting reverse! Great coins, all.
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 Posted 02/03/2018  08:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Probably my last coin in this thread for a while - I don't have a lot of narrowly dated coins after that...



Nurnberg, pfennig, 15x13 mm (chipped), uniface.
Probably Kellner 118, 1465-7.

(The attribution is tentative, and could be wrong. But definite 1460s coins were posted previously anyway.)

(Also sorry for the blurry pic. If I was photographing it today I might well have done it better.)
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 Posted 02/03/2018  10:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a 1 denár piece from Hungary. Although it has no date written on it, its type was made in 1462:

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nice coins , but I like especially the Antwerp coins . albert
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Great Britain, House Of York, ND Groat, F, Edward IV, First Reign, 1461-70.
Light coinage. London mint. 25.2mm, 2.9g.
No marks by neck. S-2002. Nice grumpy portrait. Dark toning.
Purchased from Harlan J Berk 201st Bid or Buy sale July 14, 2007 Lot 517


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Nice portrait on that groat, as well as an attractive characteristic my next few will lack: roundness


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I like especially the Antwerp coins
There will be more.
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02/03/2018 3:28 pm
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 Posted 02/03/2018  6:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1c5d7n5m to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
nice coins today !

I am looking forward to see more Antwerpen coins. The little hand on the florin is great
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Nice to compare this well known mark of the mint of Antwerp with coins made in later centuries. The name of the city is similar to "handwerpen" (throw a hand) which the legendary Silvius Brabo did 2000 years ago when he defeated the giant Druon Antigoon. The Brabo fountain is in the city center.

The fleshy hand of Antigoon on the 1619 ducaton even has a thumb nail


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Another for your hand collection :

Florin St. Philippe, Friedberg 47 (1500-06). I missed posting this coin last week due to some technology issues.

I think if I only post the mint mark, I don't break the rules?


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 Posted 02/03/2018  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I think if I only post the mint mark, I don't break the rules?


I'm willing to grant you a one-time exemption.
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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