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 Posted 03/08/2018  05:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I certainly have developed over time the same understanding of the PCGS wizards approach to these seldom seen (by them) circulated commemoratives. Their opinions are simply inconsistent and, as pointed out, each type coin example resets the grading standards.

After approximately 10 years now pursuing these coins I humbly believe that I have developed a better overall judgement across the entire series than the wizards have.


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David's Texas examples in his thread "Update 4" show an egregious error on PCGS's part between those 2 coins


I appreciate the empathy ... but the fact is that it is an expensive, frustrating and time consuming game to play crack out and resubmit .... so that 1934 Texas remains in my set judged by the wizards as AG03.


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here's a small lot of coins off eBay


Fantastic lot indeed ... I've never to my recollection came across one like that. If I were to grade them (by the photos provided) ... my judgement would be as follows:

Lexington: G06
Pilgrim (1920): AG03/G04 borderline
W-C (1952): AG03
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 Posted 03/08/2018  11:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add two_tonevf35 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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...but the fact is that it is an expensive, frustrating and time consuming game to play crack out and resubmit


The wizards know the power of The Hobby(tm) quite well!

Can't argue with the grades you assigned to each of those



PCGS submissions 2005-2015. Mailings(20) Orders(41) / 235 coin attempts. 12 Fails(5%) / Member vouchers(17%) Economy(63%) Regular(14%) Free(3%) Express(3%) / Barber 50c (49%) Classic Commemorative (40%) Hawaii(4%) Other(7%)/ Fails: Cleaned(2) Alt surfaces(1) Scratch(1) Damage(1) "86"(3) 2 Columbian & 1 BTW; Min Grade(2) DNC(2)-Same coin NGC XF40 Barber 50c. Express fees paid by seller (cross guarantee). Kept the coin & later submitted raw: PCGS XF40 LOL! Fails: Econ(8) Regular(2) Express(2); ICG: 30/30 NGC: 0 ANACS: 0
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 Posted 03/10/2018  2:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add two_tonevf35 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

PCGS submissions 2005-2015. Mailings(20) Orders(41) / 235 coin attempts. 12 Fails(5%) / Member vouchers(17%) Economy(63%) Regular(14%) Free(3%) Express(3%) / Barber 50c (49%) Classic Commemorative (40%) Hawaii(4%) Other(7%)/ Fails: Cleaned(2) Alt surfaces(1) Scratch(1) Damage(1) "86"(3) 2 Columbian & 1 BTW; Min Grade(2) DNC(2)-Same coin NGC XF40 Barber 50c. Express fees paid by seller (cross guarantee). Kept the coin & later submitted raw: PCGS XF40 LOL! Fails: Econ(8) Regular(2) Express(2); ICG: 30/30 NGC: 0 ANACS: 0
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 Posted 03/10/2018  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add two_tonevf35 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

PCGS submissions 2005-2015. Mailings(20) Orders(41) / 235 coin attempts. 12 Fails(5%) / Member vouchers(17%) Economy(63%) Regular(14%) Free(3%) Express(3%) / Barber 50c (49%) Classic Commemorative (40%) Hawaii(4%) Other(7%)/ Fails: Cleaned(2) Alt surfaces(1) Scratch(1) Damage(1) "86"(3) 2 Columbian & 1 BTW; Min Grade(2) DNC(2)-Same coin NGC XF40 Barber 50c. Express fees paid by seller (cross guarantee). Kept the coin & later submitted raw: PCGS XF40 LOL! Fails: Econ(8) Regular(2) Express(2); ICG: 30/30 NGC: 0 ANACS: 0
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 Posted 03/10/2018  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add two_tonevf35 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Any grade guesses on the Stone Mountains?

Lafayette?

Izzy?

No cheating
PCGS submissions 2005-2015. Mailings(20) Orders(41) / 235 coin attempts. 12 Fails(5%) / Member vouchers(17%) Economy(63%) Regular(14%) Free(3%) Express(3%) / Barber 50c (49%) Classic Commemorative (40%) Hawaii(4%) Other(7%)/ Fails: Cleaned(2) Alt surfaces(1) Scratch(1) Damage(1) "86"(3) 2 Columbian & 1 BTW; Min Grade(2) DNC(2)-Same coin NGC XF40 Barber 50c. Express fees paid by seller (cross guarantee). Kept the coin & later submitted raw: PCGS XF40 LOL! Fails: Econ(8) Regular(2) Express(2); ICG: 30/30 NGC: 0 ANACS: 0
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 Posted 03/10/2018  6:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Indeed ... I'll offer opinions based on the photos provided ... not sure how I could 'cheat' as suggested by the OP.

Both Stone Mountain are AG03 today ... original surfaces and certifiable. They might have been judged FR02 in the early days of submitting these to the wizards ... absolutely certain neither is PO01.

The Lafayette is VF25/VF30 ... again original surfaces. Lovely example.

The Isabella is VG08/VG10 ... crusty but original and certifiable.

That is how I would grade them based on the photos provided ... what say you on the wizards opinions?

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 Posted 03/11/2018  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add two_tonevf35 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It can be challenging to grade from photos and I appreciate David's willingness to take a stab at these old friends! (Good, I will not reveal the secret as to how some 'cheat' with the GTG, although I did attempt the usual means and it seems formatting on posting photos here does not allow it!)

OK for the grades decreed by PCGS....
Stone Mountain on top: AG3
Stone Mountain below: FR2
Lafayette: F12
Izzy: VF25

I can't find the slab photos for the Izzy:




PCGS submissions 2005-2015. Mailings(20) Orders(41) / 235 coin attempts. 12 Fails(5%) / Member vouchers(17%) Economy(63%) Regular(14%) Free(3%) Express(3%) / Barber 50c (49%) Classic Commemorative (40%) Hawaii(4%) Other(7%)/ Fails: Cleaned(2) Alt surfaces(1) Scratch(1) Damage(1) "86"(3) 2 Columbian & 1 BTW; Min Grade(2) DNC(2)-Same coin NGC XF40 Barber 50c. Express fees paid by seller (cross guarantee). Kept the coin & later submitted raw: PCGS XF40 LOL! Fails: Econ(8) Regular(2) Express(2); ICG: 30/30 NGC: 0 ANACS: 0
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PCGS submissions 2005-2015. Mailings(20) Orders(41) / 235 coin attempts. 12 Fails(5%) / Member vouchers(17%) Economy(63%) Regular(14%) Free(3%) Express(3%) / Barber 50c (49%) Classic Commemorative (40%) Hawaii(4%) Other(7%)/ Fails: Cleaned(2) Alt surfaces(1) Scratch(1) Damage(1) "86"(3) 2 Columbian & 1 BTW; Min Grade(2) DNC(2)-Same coin NGC XF40 Barber 50c. Express fees paid by seller (cross guarantee). Kept the coin & later submitted raw: PCGS XF40 LOL! Fails: Econ(8) Regular(2) Express(2); ICG: 30/30 NGC: 0 ANACS: 0
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 Posted 03/11/2018  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add two_tonevf35 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Answer: PCGS VF35

PCGS submissions 2005-2015. Mailings(20) Orders(41) / 235 coin attempts. 12 Fails(5%) / Member vouchers(17%) Economy(63%) Regular(14%) Free(3%) Express(3%) / Barber 50c (49%) Classic Commemorative (40%) Hawaii(4%) Other(7%)/ Fails: Cleaned(2) Alt surfaces(1) Scratch(1) Damage(1) "86"(3) 2 Columbian & 1 BTW; Min Grade(2) DNC(2)-Same coin NGC XF40 Barber 50c. Express fees paid by seller (cross guarantee). Kept the coin & later submitted raw: PCGS XF40 LOL! Fails: Econ(8) Regular(2) Express(2); ICG: 30/30 NGC: 0 ANACS: 0
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 Posted 03/11/2018  3:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add two_tonevf35 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pat Braddick provenance -a personal favorite. I think he angled the slabs so the scanner would focus- that was an old trick anyways if blurring scans were a problem. So I rotated and cropped them to fit the 300K here.


PCGS submissions 2005-2015. Mailings(20) Orders(41) / 235 coin attempts. 12 Fails(5%) / Member vouchers(17%) Economy(63%) Regular(14%) Free(3%) Express(3%) / Barber 50c (49%) Classic Commemorative (40%) Hawaii(4%) Other(7%)/ Fails: Cleaned(2) Alt surfaces(1) Scratch(1) Damage(1) "86"(3) 2 Columbian & 1 BTW; Min Grade(2) DNC(2)-Same coin NGC XF40 Barber 50c. Express fees paid by seller (cross guarantee). Kept the coin & later submitted raw: PCGS XF40 LOL! Fails: Econ(8) Regular(2) Express(2); ICG: 30/30 NGC: 0 ANACS: 0
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 Posted 03/11/2018  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I failed the grading test ... LOL.

Remain interested in whatever else you have to contribute.

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 Posted 03/12/2018  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wonderful continued contributions, two_tonevf35.
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 Posted 03/12/2018  10:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add two_tonevf35 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
David, I would NOT call that a failure, sir! Let me what I can dig up tonight from the archives.

@jbuck, glad you are enjoying as well, and coming from a Mod, that means alot!
PCGS submissions 2005-2015. Mailings(20) Orders(41) / 235 coin attempts. 12 Fails(5%) / Member vouchers(17%) Economy(63%) Regular(14%) Free(3%) Express(3%) / Barber 50c (49%) Classic Commemorative (40%) Hawaii(4%) Other(7%)/ Fails: Cleaned(2) Alt surfaces(1) Scratch(1) Damage(1) "86"(3) 2 Columbian & 1 BTW; Min Grade(2) DNC(2)-Same coin NGC XF40 Barber 50c. Express fees paid by seller (cross guarantee). Kept the coin & later submitted raw: PCGS XF40 LOL! Fails: Econ(8) Regular(2) Express(2); ICG: 30/30 NGC: 0 ANACS: 0
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 Posted 03/12/2018  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add two_tonevf35 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here you go, David. I found this one raw. Your images on the Registry are superior


PCGS submissions 2005-2015. Mailings(20) Orders(41) / 235 coin attempts. 12 Fails(5%) / Member vouchers(17%) Economy(63%) Regular(14%) Free(3%) Express(3%) / Barber 50c (49%) Classic Commemorative (40%) Hawaii(4%) Other(7%)/ Fails: Cleaned(2) Alt surfaces(1) Scratch(1) Damage(1) "86"(3) 2 Columbian & 1 BTW; Min Grade(2) DNC(2)-Same coin NGC XF40 Barber 50c. Express fees paid by seller (cross guarantee). Kept the coin & later submitted raw: PCGS XF40 LOL! Fails: Econ(8) Regular(2) Express(2); ICG: 30/30 NGC: 0 ANACS: 0
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 Posted 03/13/2018  05:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Outstanding .... I suggested above that one of my current examples has its pedigree attributed to your collecting eye.

Good to know that for sure however. Same coin:



I acquired the coin on eBay in March 2014. Wondering how many collectors it passed through from you to me? It is certainly a reminder that all of us have temporary possession of the coins in our collections.
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