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1888 S Morgan Dollar - Vam Question - Back coin coming through front

 
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 Posted 02/26/2018  10:53 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add e135md to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I am new to collecting but really getting into it now

My passion is already Morgan dollars
I bought a 1888 s on e-bay 99 bucks

Took my coin magnifying glass out to look for Vams:

What is this called ? too the right of her bun you can see wheat top from back , little more to the right you CAM see AME from back. Coming out of the bottom of her neck is the end of Eagle wing.... Looks like knife at first glance Outlines from back go all around the girls face in the background. What VAM is this: nothing on VAM sight


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 Posted 02/26/2018  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Check Fuzzy317's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Fuzzy317 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 02/27/2018  07:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Called a clashed die - read up on them at error-ref.com
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 Posted 02/27/2018  09:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dollardude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could use a clearer image to determine exactly what this is... but from what I can see, I suspect this may be "Graffiti" <<<< after the mint, someone punched or engraved the images that appear as clash marks....

AGAIN,,,, I am not saying that is what this is... without clearer pictures I do not believe you will get a definite answer...
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 Posted 02/27/2018  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dollardude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is the AME from "America" showing through at the top left where it is written on the sleeve?
If yes, then it for sure is not correct... The AME from America would show at the bottom right, below the M of "UNUM".
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 Posted 02/27/2018  10:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We need clearer images of both sides of the coin.

I recommend you check the exact weight and diameter of this coin. Also, check if it sticks to a magnet. Something about this coin doesn't look right, but it may just be the blurry images.

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 Posted 02/28/2018  2:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a link to the known VAM listings for '88-S. http://www.vamworld.com/1888-S+VAMs
While there are several clashed die listings none are as extreme as the example you have posted. Unfortunately, what you have is a Chinese fantasy counterfeit.
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 Posted 02/28/2018  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dollardude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


There are many clashed silver dollar VAMs ... None are clashed as much as yours appears to be...

Sorry
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 Posted 02/28/2018  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dollardude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't despair too much over it being a fake...there are a couple options... return it for refund... or keep it as an example of what clashing looks like...

There were some coins struck by Dan Carr ...these "Morgans" were dated 1964 and were made to show the clashing... many VAM collectors find these coins useful in learning and understanding "clashing" ( I just looked and found some Dan Carr 1964 clashed "Morgans" going for about $199.00....)

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I took some better Photos
From the fist post
No it does not stick to magnet
The AME is on the bottom right below M of UNUM
Or is it a Dan Morgan Clash or Just fake

Seller on E Bay says no returns or is this a learning issue for new collector

Any Help

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 Posted 02/28/2018  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a Chinese fake.
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 Posted 02/28/2018  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
File a complaint with eBay as it is a Chinese fake. It doesn't matter in the least if the seller accepts returns or not.
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 Posted 02/28/2018  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add e135md to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was able to update the photos better
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 Posted 02/28/2018  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's still a Chinese fake.
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How to identify cleaned coins: http://goccf.com/t/319679
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