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 Posted 04/13/2018  12:02 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I thought this one was interesting. Thoughts on grade and problems? Thanks!


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 Posted 04/13/2018  12:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AT....AT....AT....(removed because I can't really say my thoughts)

That really is one ...uggely coin. Sorry, some will love it, but it sure is ruined to me.
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 Posted 04/13/2018  12:47 am  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know about grade, but I would be wary of the toning. It may well be NT, but it is personally unappealing.
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 Posted 04/13/2018  08:26 am  Show Profile   Check Foxwoods Man's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am a fan of toned ASE's but this one just hurts the eyes. I would guess it was doctored and the two obverse spots (7 & 10 o'clock) don't help

Definitely wouldn't waste money on grading
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 Posted 04/13/2018  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Like the others, I'm highly suspicious on the toning. Looks like a chemical bath using some technique that kept the center unexposed.
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 Posted 04/15/2018  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
this one was in a TPG slab, straight graded. I've heard that you can tone coins inside a slab using sulfide gas. not surre whether you could bet that result by pumping gas into a slab. I think the coin sold for ~$338 if I remember right which would be a substantial premium for the toning. I guess someone liked it...

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 Posted 04/15/2018  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Check Foxwoods Man's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
it would have been more appropriate for everyone to know where you were coming from with an alread graded ASE vs making everyone speculate about what was going on with a raw coin....I still think that is an ugly AT ASE...and I have given up trying to figure out why someone pays for what they buy
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That may not be the actual color either. Some of those sellers really juice up the contrast ect on the pictures to exaggerate the colors
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 Posted 04/16/2018  07:50 am  Show Profile   Check Foxwoods Man's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well after seeing that ASE I did a bit of searching and found hundreds of PCGS toned ASE's...some much more quetionable than this piece...interesting

Here are a couple...one even has blatent napkin marks on it

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1996-Toned...AOSwJ-5aRW4r

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Toned...AOSwuq9ZZR3J

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-1-Sil...AOSwxOFaYUaN

Thanks for the thread. It decreased my respect for PCGS...
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 Posted 04/16/2018  1:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unc. details, Artificial Toning
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Well, somehow it had to be toned inside the slab then, because that wouldn't have gotten a DCAM as-is, obviously. RE: H2S gas, I suppose one could drill a very small hole somewhere in an inconspicuous part of the slab if the slab itself is not gas-permeable to some extent. The toning pattern leads me to believe that if this were true, gas was seeping in along the welds.

Or maybe someone has found a way to break the weld neatly and re-seal it after exposure, or perhaps someone has the equipment and materials to reslab.
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Thanks for the thread. It decreased my respect for PCGS...


Why? ASEs tone wildly and some very very easily. It's also well known that yes some of these are made but people just care about the end result. There's also the fact many of these have wildly enhanced colors from the pictures that isn't how they really look and yes a couple sellers had figured out how to tone them in the slab of of which appears to have been shut down at least for an internet presence
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 Posted 04/17/2018  10:33 am  Show Profile   Check Foxwoods Man's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe a year or so ago I had read that PCGS had decided not to get into the AT vs. NT thing and to grade these toned ASE's but drop them a grade or two for the change in color. Not very often you find a PF ASE graded 68 Dcam...probably would have been a routine 69 or 70 dcam without the toning but got gigged a couple of grades.

..as for toning in the slab I don't think that would happen. I have a gazillion graded ASE MS and PF coins and NEVER have seen this happen....and have no clue how one would get napkin marks in a slab

...and probably only a coincidence that a lot of these interesting ASE's come from one dealer

Put your sunglasses on and take a peek:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_od..._sacat=11975

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 Posted 04/17/2018  11:10 am  Show Profile   Check chafemasterj's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add chafemasterj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow. From the look of those I'd almost think he's exposing them to something to create such similar rainbowish toning on so many of them.
Is that a thing even? Artificial toning to genuine coins?
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 Posted 04/17/2018  2:17 pm  Show Profile   Check Foxwoods Man's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will admit that I have exposed ASE's to the atmosphere and got some great specimins FOR MY COLLECTION ONLY BUT they all toned reasonably evenly...not with a clear bullseye in the middle or with napkin marks or like rainbows and unicorns.

"Toning" is a natural occurrence and letting ASE's tone NATURALLY is a wee bit different than these specimins...but..it is what it is.

As was mentioned, they should be "Details grade, AT"

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 Posted 04/17/2018  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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..as for toning in the slab I don't think that would happen. I have a gazillion graded ASE MS and PF coins and NEVER have seen this happen....and have no clue how one would get napkin marks in a slab


It was someone gassing them in the slab, there were a lot of threads on CU about it even with some pictures of hard proof from the original coin that was sold to that dealer. Pretty sure PCGS made it clear they need to break them out or something as that person isn't selling on eBay anymore.
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