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Cleaned Coins: How To Detect Them

 
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 Posted 08/08/2018  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Check BluegrassRiver's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BluegrassRiver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I understand. Sorry, by promote I mean you mention. I know you are not advertising them (unless you own stock in you know who!) I'm not trying to argue about TPGs (third party graders) so please don't regret mentioning them. They are surely the two largest, most advertised. TPGs do mention cleaning on their labels. I was thinking you are trying to teach non expert collectors about cleaning which is so very useful to us all. So, novice collectors who are not buying the $10,000 coins, I didn't want them to get the idea to never look at ANACS or ICG for that slabbed $300 coin they might want. More than anything, I hope the readers know this hobby is full of interesting topics, fascinating ideas, and more entertaining twists than any other.
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 Posted 08/08/2018  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That sounds great

Tomorrow I will make some edits and have the staff add them to the post.
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How to identify cleaned coins: http://goccf.com/t/319679
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 Posted 08/08/2018  11:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jst1dreamr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This whole post has been great reading. SilverDollar2017 and everybody that commented, Great Job. Thank you all.
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 Posted 08/10/2018  07:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kylecolb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
good post! how does NGC do their cleaning and not get a details grade? Saw the post of a walker that was in PVC and beautifully cleaned to an awesome non-details grade
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 Posted 11/08/2018  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Boxcar12 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all.
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 Posted 11/08/2018  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Glad you found the info useful.
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How to identify cleaned coins: http://goccf.com/t/319679
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 Posted 11/10/2018  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ballyhoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well put. However, I still buy them if the cleaning isn't as destructive as you mention. Some of which, particularly in the Barber dime series I completed after many years have re-toned nicely, almost undetectable unless under magnification. Speaking for myself, a cleaned coin can still present great eye appeal.
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 Posted 11/10/2018  8:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very Nice to help people who love collect coins with this article Silverdollar2017. You are the Man thanks for helping me all the time.
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 Posted 11/10/2018  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ballyhoo - yep, if the cleaning isn't too bad or has retoned and become market acceptable, then it depends on the eye appeal of the coin.

Bate - no problem, I actually didn't know this thread would get this much attention.
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How to identify cleaned coins: http://goccf.com/t/319679
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 Posted 11/15/2018  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add slapsshot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great info....this is why I joined to begin with...I gave up trying to buy raw coins online because the photos are rarely that good...I have to see them in hand....and even then. I'm sure I still bought something cleaned.
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 Posted 11/15/2018  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Start a thread and post pics of the coins you think are cleaned, and we can help.
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How to identify cleaned coins: http://goccf.com/t/319679
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 Posted 01/24/2019  1:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jckeur5151 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank u for the nollege
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 Posted 01/24/2019  2:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add one_fine_dime to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for this post SilverDollar2017 ! ...and good idea to put the link in your signature (that's how I found it).

I thought I would share a recent article and a comment I read on the CDN blog. I'll paste the relevant info below, the overall title of the article is "3 Fast Ways To Lose Money Buying Coins", with number 2 being "Buy cleaned or damaged coins" (number 1 is "Don't check for authenticity of coins" and number 3 is "Pay more than you should"
http://blog.greysheet.com/3-fast-wa...uying-coins/

Buy cleaned or damaged coins Want to lose money in a hurry next time you buy coins? Then make sure you're buying cleaned or damaged coins, especially those that are not labeled as such. It's actually amazing how much money you'll lose if you buy cleaned or damaged coins that are masquerading as problem free and are also paying "problem-free" money for them. Even if you know you're buying a cleaned or damaged coin, chances are it's not going to increase in value as quickly as its problem-free counterpart, and it will be all the harder to sell, too, when you decide to liquidate. Figuring out what a cleaned coin looks like versus one with original, untouched and unaltered surfaces takes some time and requires collectors to look at many examples of both cleaned and uncleaned coins to see how they look different from each other. You might also consider buying slabbed coins. Third-party certification firms label coins in such a way as to describe pieces that have been cleaned or contain other forms of damage. Remember, label descriptors such as "Net," "Scratches," "Cleaned," "Damaged," etc. all indicate problem coins. And the term "Genuine" is a politically correct way of describing a coin that's authentic but has problems that disqualifies the coin from receiving a grade.


I found one of the comments really funny (and true) and worth sharing:
"Cleaned or Damaged coins". stop the madness! I collect hammered and early machined European, United States, and other 16th through 19th century coins. If you purchased a 100-year-old automobile, you would expect it to have been cleaned and to have some damage. Same way with antique toys, artwork, stamps, sports cards, pinbacks, documents, pictures, photos, etc. But do coin collectors expect these antiques to have never been cleaned or have some damage? Obviously, coin buyers and grading companies do. That is why most of the coins I have submitted, even with the lightest cleaning and slight damage from circulation, come back with a "Details" grade. Get a life people.and don't bother to collect anything else that might be found in a museum or "history house", because, heaven forbid, someone might have dropped or cleaned it in the last hundred years!


This has been super educational for me. I recently purchased what appeared online to be a mint state Mercury dime. When I took it into my local coin shop to ask the owner what he thought (this is part of my numismatic education too, asking a professional if they see the same thing I do or something else). The big revelation was that the coin had no natural luster. It was shiny, and a high grade, but it must have been polished at some point which ruined the delicate luster. I didn't pay that much for it (relative to its book value), so I kept it anyway. Lesson learned, I now try to ask any online seller if their coin has any luster if I can't discern it from the photos. An AU coin should certainly have some luster, otherwise it likely isn't worth AU money, etc. The issue is that luster seems often challenging to capture in photos, so sometimes it is there but the photos don't show it (and sometimes it just isn't there).
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 Posted 01/24/2019  11:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matt242 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I bought some cleaned Buffaloes once just to see what the difference was. Holy cow, it looked and felt like a worthless coin. Zero luster and sounded completely different when jingling in my hand against each other. There were about 5 of them from 1913-1915. I just let my son have them, hes 9.
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 Posted 01/26/2019  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the link to the article one_fine_dime. That was a pretty funny comment.


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I bought some cleaned Buffaloes once just to see what the difference was. Holy cow, it looked and felt like a worthless coin. Zero luster and sounded completely different when jingling in my hand against each other. There were about 5 of them from 1913-1915. I just let my son have them, hes 9.


Yes, cleaned coins can have a very different appearance. Although, I wouldn't jingle them (or un-cleaned coins) in your hand.
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How to identify cleaned coins: http://goccf.com/t/319679
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