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1720 France Minors

1/3 Ecu

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France: 1 livre Louis XV, "de la Compagnie des Indes". A somewhat odd coin, in pure silver instead of the regular 917/1000 used for French silver coins at this time...


Would this have been a trade coin? For overseas use only?


This coin was struck for use by the "French East India Company", and part of the John Law legacy. He is the economist famous for the "Mississippi Bubble" land speculation boom and bust in French North America.
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France: 1 livre Louis XV, "de la Compagnie des Indes". A somewhat odd coin, in pure silver instead of the regular 917/1000 used for French silver coins at this time...


Would this have been a trade coin? For overseas use only?

No, despite the name it was not a trade coin. The official name at the time was livre d'argent (silver pound) and it was intended as part of a reformed monetary system based on paper money, with this coin being the highest denomination in metal. The designation "de la Compagnie des Indes" was due to the piece being minted on behalf of that company to provide a loan to the royal treasury. The paper money, and that a private trading company was involved in minting French money, was part of the "financial system" invented by John Law, a Scotsman heading not only said company but the whole French royal finances at the time. How that came about is a long and complex story, which I will not try to recount. Googling "John Law Compagnie des Indes" will give plenty of information. Anyway, the "system" crashed later in 1720 and this coin was demonetized in December the same year.
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I had read about John Law years ago, but have forgotten all I read other than he had control of Frances finances.

I'll revisit the subject, thanks for the information.
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1720 France Ecu

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Could use an upgrade. The "Ecu de France" is a tough series.
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One Daler Silvermynt from Sweden. Emergency coin struck during a period of hard economic crisis. Several different 1 Daler S.M. were issued over the years from 1715 until 1719. I guess more of these will show up here in the next days to come.

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Farthing 1719
Ruler: George I (1714-1727)
Reference: Seaby 3662
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India, Mughal empire, temple coin
AH ? / 1xxxAD, regnal year: ?
Minted between 1719 and 1748
Ruler: Shahanshah Nasir-ud-Din Muhammad Shah,
Abu Al-Fatah Nasir-ud-Din Roshan Akhtar Muhammad Shah (AH1104-1161 / 1702-1748AD)
Muhammad Shah Badshah (1719-1748AD)
Also: Roshan Akhtar
14th Mughal emperor
Mintplace not sure
Obv: in the middle: Muhammad. Top left: Ali. Top right: Hassan. Bottom right: Hussain. Bottom left: Fatima.

Rev: kalimah

Shia is one of the major religions in Islam. They believe that Prophet Muhammad's son-in-law Ali was given the opportunity to become Caliph after Muhammad's death. The prophet Mohammed had three sons who died in their youth. He had 4 daughters, of whom Fatima was the most chosen. Ali was the fourth caliph and married Fatima. They had two hems: Hassan and Hussain. All four of these names are on the corners of this coin. Ali, Hassan and Hussain were killed on various occasions. The Ummayad dynasty with its capital in Damascus, Syria, took over the caliphate in 611AD. In 750AD the Abbasid dynasty took revenge and killed the entire Ummayad clan, with the exception of 1 person. He fled to Spain and ruled there.
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1719 -- Kingdom of Great Britain, 1 farthing:

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1719 France Coppers

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1719 France Ecu

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Not a Daler @giljan, but here is a 1 Ore from Sweden dated 1719 AD:



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The 1 ore may have been struck over one of the dalers. Hard to tell which one though.
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Hmm I hadn't thought about that possibility, but that might explain those odd extra design elements. Thx for opening my eyes @t360!
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