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 Posted 04/24/2019  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1714 Great Britain Queen Anne farthing:
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1714 France King Louis XIV

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 Posted 04/24/2019  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a 4 Pfennig from the German Free City of Münster dated 1714 AD:





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 Posted 04/24/2019  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great to see so many very interesting coins!
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 Posted 04/25/2019  06:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agreed @t360!

Here is a 1/12 Thaler from the German City State of Saxony (Leipzig mint) dated 1713 AD:



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 Posted 04/25/2019  08:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin!

I often see these types cross-listed under Poland due to the geopolitics of the time. This ruler served concurrently as King of Poland (as king Augustus II), and Duke and Elector of Saxony as Friedrich Augustus I. On the obverse of your coin we see the large arms of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth (eagle and knight in quarters) superimposed with the arms of Saxony in the center, and his Polish title: FRID AUGUST REX POL. The reverse carries his Saxony title(s), DUX SAX ... ET ELECT.
Early in his reign, he discontinued the minting of coins at the historic Polish royal mints of Krakow and Bydgoszcz, as well as the Lithuanian mint, and began supplying Poland-Lithuania with these coins minted in Leipzig and Dresden.
From a numismatics viewpoint, this coin is listed by Krause as German States SAXONY-ALBERTINE KM-746, by Gumowski as "Saxony-Polish coinage" as Gum.2088. In Numista similar types (same denomination, same reign) are listed in both German States https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces84419.html and in Poland-Lithuania Commonwealth https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces97049.html

Probably it is listed in Kopicki as well?

This practice (minting coins for use in Poland at mints in Saxony) continued through the next reign (Augustus III 1733-1763), although there was also some activity in the Gdansk (Danzig), Elbing and Torun mints late in his reign.

From the viewpoint of Poland collectors, there is a 50 year period (1703-1752) in which the only coins widely available are these types minted at the Saxony mints (I have a similar type for 9 days from now).


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04/25/2019 08:56 am
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1713 -- City of Coesfeld, 8 pfennig:

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1713 -- City of Coesfeld, 8 pfennig:
Very nice!
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Thx @tdz for providing additional detail about my coin. More info and historical context is always welcome.

Krause is my primary attribution resource for all coins 1601 to present (1501 to present for German States) so I never bothered to check if this 1/12 Thaler is also listed by Kopicki.
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 Posted 04/25/2019  4:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1c5d7n5m to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
many interesting pieces ! question to pepactonius


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1714 -- Cathedral Chapter of Munster, 4 pfennig:


is this a bread pfennig (mereau) distributed to the poor?

Münster is not far away from the Netherlands, and such pieces were made for the big churches in Holland and Belgium
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1713 France King Louis XIV

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1713 Sweden King Charles XII

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Netherlands
1712
1 guilder = 20 stuivers, Generality guilder
MO: ARG: ORD: FOE: BELG.GEL: ET: C: Z
moneta argentea ordinum foederatarum belgii Gelriae et comitatus Zutphaniae
regular silver money from the federation Belgium (province) Gelderland and Zutphen
Rev: Dutch virgin, in the right hand a spear on which a freedom cap,
with the left elbow leaning on an upright bible standing on a column
HANC TVEMVR - HAC NITIMVR: we defend this endeavor
mint mark: knight on horse (right next to date)
Delmonte 1182; Verkade 111.2
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1 liard
Spanish Netherlands
1712
mint: Namur
Ruler: Maximilian Emanuel II of Bavaria (1662-1726)
MAX.EMAN.D.G.ROM.IMP.EL
Maximilian Emanuel dei gratia romanorum imperator elector
Maximilian Emanuel, by the grace of god, emperor of the Roman Empire, Elector
DUX.BAVARI.BRABANT.C.FLAND.<s>Z</s>
dux Bavariĉ Brabantiĉ Comes Flandriĉ etc
Duke of Bavaria and Brabant, Count of Flanders etc.
The Z is a tironian logogram and has some history:
(ask me if you are intrested....)
KM # 20
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