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 Posted 06/12/2019  07:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Petrus, thanks for posting that link. I have been using the information in Numista, which has some of the Wolsky variants, but I suppose is less complete than the catalog.
That first solidus with the deer's head mark was minted in Kowno (Kaunas). I think the others are from Vilnius (certainly the one with the star after IOAN is). It is interesting that in earlier years of this reign the Lithuanian solidus is also minted in Poland proper.

Since there is a lot of Poland out here, I will post my Duchy of Lorraine 1665 teston, Nancy mint. Reiterating some earlier comments, the moustache and hairstyle of Duke Charles IV are similar to that of Jan Casimir and other monarchs (and bishops, looking at t360's Liege coins) of the time.

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1665 King Charles XI of Sweden

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1665 Anne-Marie-Louise of Orleans, Principality of Dombes

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1665 William III, Principality of Orange

Later ruled England as William III of England
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1665 King Louis XIV of France

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1665 -- Kingdom of Hungary, 15 krajczar:

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 Posted 06/13/2019  02:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add giljan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Since there is no 1664 coin here so far I guess it is ok to post my Two Skilling from Denmark.

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 Posted 06/13/2019  02:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1c5d7n5m to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
in the footsteps of giljan I post a well preserved jeton from Tournai (Doornik) from 1665

1665 Dugn.4213
OBV: Coat-of-arms of the city
REV: POVR MESSIEVRS LES PREVOSTZ ET IVRES DE TOVRNAY 1665
(for the gentlemen provosts and judges of Tournai)

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 Posted 06/13/2019  04:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1c5d7n5m to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
perhaps I can kick of with 1664

for the Spanish Netherlands we are now entering the reign of Philip IV of Spain a powerful ruler over the biggest empire of those days, but a power in decline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_IV_of_Spain

Philip IV ruled during the 30 years war, and for the Spanish Netherlands his adversary was king Louis XIV of France who conquered large pieces of current French Flanders (Arras, Lille, Dunkirke) pushing the borderline between France and Spanish Netherlands to the North.
We may see several jetons from this period during the next days.

This jeton of 1664 (Dugn. 4204 - "Alliance between Spain and Austria") summarizes the political situation nicely:
obverse an aged king at the end of is reign
reverse shows the Pillars of Hercules, symbol of the Empire, battered by heavy storms but fastened securely.
The one word legend STABVNT (they will stand) is a powerful statement of the political aspiration



edit: corrected 1654 into 1664
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 Posted 06/13/2019  05:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is one of my Schillings from Poland dated AD 1664:


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 Posted 06/13/2019  06:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is 1664 not to soon?
I think we stil are in 1665...

And I overlooked this one yesterday;
My appologies
1666
Ruler : Johan Casimir II van Polen (1648-1668)
Szóstak = 6 Groszy
GROS.ARG.SEX.REG.POLO
GROSZY ARGENTEUS SEX REGIS POLONIĈ
zes zilveren groschen van het koninkrijk Polen
IOAN.CAS.D.G.REX.POL&S.M.D.L
IOANNUS CASIMIR DEI GRATIA REX POLONIĈ ET SVECLĈ MAGNUS DUX LITHUANIĈ
Johan Casimir, by gods grace, king of Poland and Sweden, grandduke of Lithuania
mintmaster: AT: Andrzej Tymp (Tümfe, Tümpfe), mint contractor (1650-1667)
Krakow mint

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Poland 1665
Solidus
mintmarks: TLB/Bird with ring
Ruler: Johan Casimir II of Poland (1648-1668)
SOLID.REG.POLO
SOLIDUS REGIS POLONIA
solidus of the kingdom of Poland
IOAN.CAS.REX
Mint: Ujazdow
mint master: Tytus Liwiusz Boratini (TLB)
Privy brand: black raven: John Casimir Krasinski
Solidus = schilling
boratynka: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boratynka
eagle's breastplate: king Wasa's coat of arms
Some examples in the hundreds of variations
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Lithuania
solidus 1665
Johan Casimir II (1609-1672)
King of Poland
SOLI.MAG.DVC.LIT1665
SOLIDUS MAGNUS DUCATUS LITHUANIAE:
solidus of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania
IOAN.CAS.REX: JOANNES CASIMIRUS REX: King Jan Casimir
Mintmarks :

GFH: 1665-66 Georgas Fon Hornis, Tenant;
Privy mark: Buck (HKPL): 1663-76 Jeronimas Kryspinas


TLB : 1660-66 Titus Livijus Boratinis, Tenant;
Privy mark: Buck (HKPL): 1663-76 Jeronimas Kryspinas


many variations....
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 Posted 06/13/2019  7:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Is 1664 not to soon?
I think we still are in 1665...


@petrus, yesterday we posted our coins from 1665 and so today (06/13/19) is for 1664. However, @giljan and @1c5 posted their '65s a little after midnight EST which may have been a little confusing. In a little under five hours, I think that we drop back to AD 1663.
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 Posted 06/13/2019  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
...yesterday we posted our coins from 1665 and so today (06/13/19) is for 1664

Also my understanding.
@Petrus, those myriad 1665 "boratynki" make a good point about this type and all its variations.
In 1665-66, there are 4 different mints and many variants, as you have shown:
- Ujazdow mint (near Warsaw) has only the eagle reverse
- Kowno/Kaunas mint (Lithuania) has GFH below the bust obverse, and reverse the knight on horseback and buck privy mark below
- Vilnius (Lithuania) and Brest mints have TLB below the bust obverse, and reverse the knight on horseback and HKPL monogram below.

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