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 Posted 07/19/2019  12:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jgenn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1628 thaler, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Bydgoszcz mint.
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 Posted 07/19/2019  07:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful! Both of them.
I've wondered why we don't see more Italian coins out here in the 17th century. Saint Antoninus is a patron saint of Piacenza. According to Christian tradition, he was martyred there in the persecution of Diocletian in 303 A.D.
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 Posted 07/19/2019  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Duchy of Brabant
Escalin 1628
Muntheer: Philip IV (1621-1665)
Currency: Brussels
PHIL.IIII.D.G.HISP.ET.INDIAR.REX:
PHILIPPUS IIII DEI GRATIA HISPANIARUM AND INDIARUM REX:
Philips IV, by the grace of God, king of Spain and India
ARCHID.AUS.DUX.BURG.BR (.Z):
ARCHIDUX AUSTRIĆ DUX BURGUNDIA ET BRABANTIA:
First Duke of Austria, Duke of Burgundy and Brabant
Literature: Van Gelder / Hoc 333-3
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Gustav II Adolf of Sweden (1594-1632)
Wasa dynasty
City of Riga, Swedish occupation
King of Poland, Lithuania and Sweden (1611-1632)
SOLIDUS.CIVI.RIGENSIS.2 8
SOLIDUS CIVITATIS RIGENSIS
city of Riga
GUST.ADOL.D.G.REX.S
GUSTAVUS ADOLPHUS DEI GRATIA REX SVECLĆ
Gustav Adolf, by the grace of God, king of Sweden

Riga mint
SvB # 14, SvB # 26, KM # 9
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 Posted 07/19/2019  3:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1628 King Louis XIII of France

Double tournois

Paris(A)


The "Lincoln cent" of the 17th century
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The "Lincoln cent" of the 17th century
Very interesting!
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 Posted 07/19/2019  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1c5d7n5m to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
beautiful 1629 scudo and 1629 testons; portraits were pieces of art on those coins !


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Portrait touches "A" in obverse legend // On @tdziemia's example, the portrait touches "M"


this variation in the way legend and portrait "interact" always have interested me ; we may see a bit of that in the 1575//76 period on early Leeuwendaalders from Holland
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1628 Sigismund III, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth

Thaler


There are some noticeable differences in the obverse legend and portrait when compared to the example posted by @jgenn
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1628 -- Archduchy of Austria, 3 kreuzer:

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Leeuwendaalders from Holland


Speaking of the Netherlands, here is a Duit from the Province of Overyssel dated AD 1628. Despite the agressive clipping and other indignities that this coin has endured, it is one of my all-time faves.



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 Posted 07/19/2019  10:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jgenn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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There are some noticeable differences in the obverse legend and portrait when compared to the example posted by @jgenn


Indeed -- a different obverse die. I'm not sure about the reverse. The die state on my coin is quite late (nearly terminal on the obverse) compared to t360's. I would prefer to own a nicer example but thalers of Sigismund III Vasa are scarce and even the more common types, like this one, command a pretty penny.
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 Posted 07/20/2019  02:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add giljan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are three different coins from Poland 1627.
1. 6 Grossus / szóstak
2. Grossus / grosz (Danzig)
3. 1.5 grossus / 1/24 Thaler / poltorak

I see the relative size between these photos are not quite right...



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great example of a 1628 Overijssel duit Spence !


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Despite the agressive clipping and other indignities that this coin has endured, it is one of my all-time faves.


A nice detail on this small copper piece (the 16-18th century cent in the Netherlands) is the coat of arms of the province of Overijssel:
the Dutch lion wading in the IJssel river, the line suggesting that the river is not very deep. Indeed the IJssel is a short and moderate stream compared to the Maas or the Rhine rivers.

The coat-of-arms of the seven provinces on coins of the Dutch republic are like the letter system of the French coins we have seen over the past months in this thread. However, the Dutch coins also mention the name of the province in Latin: TRANS ISULANIA = OVER IJSSEL
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 Posted 07/20/2019  05:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Speaking of the Netherlands, here is a Duit from the Province of Overyssel dated AD 1628. Despite the agressive clipping and other indignities that this coin has endured, it is one of my all-time faves.


Could it not be that the flan was cut from a (square) bar?
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Ternar = 3 denary = 1/6 Grosza (1/6)
TERNARI POS 1627
SIG.III.D.G REX.PO.M.D.
SIGISMUNDUS TERTIO REX POLONIA MAGNUS DUX LITHUANIA
Sigismund, by the grace of God, King of Poland, Grand Duke of Lithuania
(16) 27
Mint: Posen
Reference: Kopicki 8006
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