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 Posted 08/21/2019  4:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1c5d7n5m to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Are the fox, dog and pig meant to represent specific countries?


good question ! I can't give an exact answer. the mint master did not write down an essay, but maybe there is more in van Loon (unfortunately I do not have this great work). We may assume that the intention of this jeton was war propaganda too
The superior lion of Spain, protected by a wall seems no match for the to small and insignificant enemies (probably the triple alliance countries, France, Holland and England).

Here is one more jeton, Made in Zeeland, in the same context, but now seen from the side of the United Provinces: Henri IV attacked by several enemies at the same time, both within France and from abroad.



1595 Dugn.3372, vLoonI.464, Tas302
Middelburg 'Miurder of Doulens / Capture of Chastelet' -
Obv: Henri IV attacked simultatenously by bear wolf and snake / EXPECTA DOMINVM VIRILITER AGE
Rev Coat-of-arms of Zeeland ET ILLE ROBORABIT CORTVVM

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 Posted 08/21/2019  5:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1c5d7n5m to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1595 is the only year from which I have copper & silver pieces and one gold coin

below a gold ducat from Holland



here is an extremely rare type 2 Leicesterrijksdaalder from the province of Overijssel, the reverse showing the 7 coat-of-arms of the United Provinces




finally more common but well preserved type 2 from the province of Zeeland; in general Leicesterrijksdaalders were produced (hand hammered) with great care and precision; the type 2 pieces were actually made č-8 years after the death of Robert Dudley (1532-1588), earl of Leicester. I'll post more of Leicester, how he got involved in the struggle of the United Provinces for independence, during the next week.




portrait of Leicester, protegé of queen Elizabeth I
School of Jan van Ravesteyn - source: http://www.rijksmuseum.nl

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 Posted 08/21/2019  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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7 coat-of-arms of the United Provinces

Wonderfull!
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 Posted 08/21/2019  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pepactonius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1595 -- Palatine Countship of Pfalz-Zweibrucken, 3 kreuzer:

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below a gold ducat from Holland


Dated gold is awesome!
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 Posted 08/21/2019  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Outstanding contributions from @1c5d these last few days, and some rarely seen types from @t360 .
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 Posted 08/22/2019  02:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add giljan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Two Sigismund trojaks. One with the year on the right side, and the other with the year on the left side.

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 Posted 08/22/2019  03:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erafjel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fabulous Swedish Sigismund 1 and 4 öre coins there, t360!

At that time, the öre* was kind of in the middle of the monetary system: 1 mark = 8 öre, 1 öre = 24 penningar (pennies). While the mark, penning, and daler vanished and were replace by other units, the öre lasted through the monetary reforms (with a pause 1776-1855) and is still there today, now as the smallest indivisible unit: 1 krona = 100 öre (the same applies to Norway, Denmark, and Iceland). But there are no longer any öre coins, the last one, 50 öre, was removed 2010. The 1 öre coin disappeared 1972. I remember those small copper pieces from my childhood, they had a rather simplistic design compared to the beautiful 1 öre 1596: A large "1" under a royal crown on one side, another royal crown and the king's name on the other.

Just another week until I can start showing some coins here again...

* Pronunciation guide: The "ö" in "öre" is pronounced as the "i" in "bird", the "re" as in "red".
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 Posted 08/22/2019  04:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Philips II of Spain (1555-1598)
1 / 20th philipsdaalder: 1594
Duchy of Brabant,
mint: Antwerp (hand)
DOMINUS MIHI ADIUTOR: the lord is my helper
PHS.D.G.HIS.REX.DUX.BR.
Filips dei gratia Hispaniarum rex dux Brabantić
Philip, by the grace of god, king of Spain, duke of Brabant
Ruler: Philips II (1555-1598)
ref: Van Gelder / Hoc 215-1
ref: RN1218
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 Posted 08/22/2019  08:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Two Sigismund trojaks. One with the year on the right side, and the other with the year on the left side.

First one is Olkusz mint, Iger O.94.9.k
Second one is from Poznan, though it looks a lot like my 1595 Wschowa coin. Catalog Iger P.94.2.c. An interesting feature of this coin is that only Poznan and Fraustadt mint use numeral 3 in Sigismund's title, instead of the Roman III.

My 1594 trojaks are from the Malbork mint, with a portrait similar to the 1596 szostak you posted:



Variety with broken ring reverse


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 Posted 08/22/2019  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1c5d7n5m to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
again, a great supply of silver for this year

I can only respond with three copper jetons:

On the one hand propaganda from the war front in the North-East of the Netherlands, where Prince Maurits was gaining terrain, defending the important stronghold Coevoorden and reclaiming the city of Groningen from Spain.

1594 Dugn.3338 - jeton from Dordrecht 'liberation of Coevoorden and capture of Groningen'
OBV: Strongly rooted tree is hauled over by a small army
REV: text mentioning the military achievements of prince Maurits



On the other hand we see in the South a few square centimeters of copper a terrifying image of the devastation and human suffering inflicted by armed conflict; Brabant had suffered enormously by 30 years of war, plundering. This piece shows a longing for better days.

1594 Dugn.3344 jeton from Antwerp 'Deplorable conditions in Brabant'
Rev: Weeping woman sitting amongst arms, burning houses and military tents on the background



the verdigris, also called bronze sickness, seems almost functional on this little piece of metal as it enhances the message of a ruined society - it becomes also easier to understand - centuries later - the sentiment of new hope after the death of Philip II in 1598 and the arrival of new leaders in the Spanish Netherlands. Perhaps one recalls the jeton posted 5 days ago on occasion of the marriage in 1599 of 'Infante' Isabella Clara Eugenia and Albert of Austria.

A second jeton from Antwerp (Dugn.3348), also tells that the situation in Brabant was far from stable in those days. The reverse is interesting as it shows lady Fortune trying to keep balance on a ball in the sea



also here, the verdigris adds to the dramatic effect of the jeton.






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 Posted 08/22/2019  6:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a 1/24 Thaler from the German Countship of Schaumburg-Pinneberg dated AD 1594.



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1594 Charles de Bourbon (France)





Charles de Bourbon was supported by the Catholic League as the rightful King of France after the death of Henry III in 1589. The Catholic League issued coins in his name.
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1594 -- Kingdom of hungary, 1 denar:


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 Posted 08/23/2019  06:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add giljan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@tdziemia, I really enjoy the comments on the sigismund coins I'm posting. I will make note of them and use when I get more time to study my collection.
Her are my 1593 trojaks. The size of the two seem so different :-), but that is all about the image properties of the two..


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