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How Far Back Can We Go? Fifth Edition!

 
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 Posted 09/10/2019  01:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add giljan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1 Öre, Sweden, 1575

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 Posted 09/10/2019  02:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1c5d7n5m to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Leeuwendaalder type 1a 1575, Dordrecht mint, Holland
first coin of the autonomous provinces





made during the last month of 1575 in haste at great peril (this was an illegal coin) to raise money for the war effort

the primitive design of a starting group of craftsmen is in great contrast to the legal philipsdaalder made by an experienced team in the South

Philipsdaalder 1575, Brugge mint, Flanders




this coin was part of the Urk coin hoard and was hidden by its owner for the perils of the war (the plundering Spanish army) not long after the coin entered circulation
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 Posted 09/10/2019  04:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a uniface 2 Pfennig from the Austrian State of Salzburg dated AD 1575:


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 Posted 09/10/2019  04:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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it contains the elements of my cryptic ccf name


I was always wondering where you did find your name. Problem solved...!
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 Posted 09/10/2019  06:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting comparison on the daalders, @1c5d. It seems the design of the figure on the obverse is more primitive than yetserday's, and I think I've never seen such a nicely struck (and preserved) philipsdaalder.

I have another French coin for today, 1575 teston, Paris mint:

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 Posted 09/10/2019  07:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1c5d7n5m to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Problem solved...!
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It seems the design of the figure on the obverse is more primitive than yetserday's


yes, indeed tdziemia ! this evolution in a few months of time (type 1a => 1b => 2) is striking, every time I think about it; I believe that with the first coins of the autonomous province, there was still no idea what could be the new face on the coins now that the face of the king was removed. A ghost like knight (type 1a) turned into a mocking figure (type 1b) and finally in the strong knight (type 2) which would remain on the Leeuwendaalders for more than a century in all provinces.

1575 is a key year and collected for a long time just in the opposite manner of OFEY, concentrating on a few years of local history - so here are three more jetons of 1575 and bit more of history those crucial years in the struggle of the Netherlands for independence:

the first (Dugn.2656 from Brabant in the Spanish Netherlands), alludes to hard times (a person holding equilibrium in heavy winds and battered foundations) IN ADVERSIS CONSTANS



the second (Dugn.2647 from Dordrecht in Holland) mentions the peace negotiations between Philip II and the revolting provinces; a disagreement about religious tolerance which Philip did not want ended the peace talks



the third jeton showing a burning bible (Dugn.2649 from Dordrecht in Holland) alludes to the fundamental difference between the revolting provinces and Philip II about religious tolerance.


Don Alva de Toledo, the duke of Alva, remembered in the Netherlands as the "iron duke" was in the Netherlands since 1567 to crush the first and second Dutch revolt. He commanded a superior army, the best of Europe with experienced and hardened tercio's. But Alva's forces met in 1572-74 with heavy resistance of the Dutch cities that were under siege in these years (we'll see Haarlem and Leiden as examples); what was intended as a rapid overwhelming crushing victory became a long-term operation that drained resources from Spain.

Philip II had to face the problem of providing enough money (silver mined from the new world) to pay the large army of Flanders and because of severe economic problems at home, the money supply to Flanders became a problem.
This caused serious delays in paying the wages of the soldiers who started mutinies by the end of 1575, after the siege of Ziekikzee in Zeeland. At this point both parties saw an opportunity for peace negotiations in Breda, which failed.

So the mutinies of well trained Spanish soldiers who were not controlled anymore and plundered the country were a plague to Brabant for more than a year ; this problem really got out of control to a catastrophic level by the concerted action of different mutinous bands joining together with the aim to plunder the rich metropole of Antwerp. Defenses came to late and the troops massacred the city for several consecutive days. The plundering and massacre of Antwerp in november 1576 is one of the worst events of the 16th century and contributed to the decline of its economic importance in the region causing the star of Amsterdam to rise. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Antwerp

The peace negotiations in 1575 in Breda were completely justified as both sides were exhausted - if only peace could have been reached at this moment ....... But it went otherwise.

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1575 -- Duchy of Courland, 1 schilling:

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 Posted 09/10/2019  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1575 King John III of Sweden

Öre


Riksdaler


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 Posted 09/10/2019  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now THAT is a beard!
... and a beautiful coin.
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 Posted 09/11/2019  05:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1c5d7n5m to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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1575 King John III of Sweden


fantastic coins, and - indeed - a spectacular beard !
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1574 Siege of Leiden 28 stuiver (Delmonte 169)




obverse: Dutch lion bearing the hat of freedom HAC LIBERTATIS ERGO (this is how I fight for freedom)
reverse: coat of arms of Leiden (two keys) GODT BEHOEDE LEYDEN (a Dutch sentence meaning God protects Leyden)

there are no visible traces of mounting on the coin shown above; this is relevant as these coins were collectors items since the siege was over and were used during the centuries that followed as an ornament used on special occasions (see engraving of a mounted piece below - not in my collection);



This taler-sized silver coin of necessity was made during the siege of Leiden by Francisco de Valdez and the Spanish army, one of the most remembered events during the 80 years war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Leiden

the city did not surrender during a siege that lasted for about 1 year, causing terrible famine and exhaustion of the population
as a reward for its resistance, the city was allowed to start its own university - the first in the Netherlands
the relief in oktober 1574 is still celebrated each year in the city
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 Posted 09/11/2019  06:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erafjel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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1575 King John III of Sweden

That is a fabulous riksdaler!

King Johan (as it is spelled in Swedish) had, like many other rulers of the time, an unscrupulous view on power. It was his older brother Erik who became king after their father Gustav Vasa, but in 1568 Johan conducted a coup d'état and imprisoned his brother (he had himself been imprisoned by Erik for insubordination, so he may have held some grudge against him). A couple of years later, he had Erik killed in prison (with poisoned pea soup, according to traditional history writing) just to be safe.
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1574 -- Kingdom of Hungary, 1 denar:

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 Posted 09/12/2019  04:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a Groschen from the German Electorate of Saxony-Albertine dated AD 1573:





"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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1573 Half Philipsdaalder Dordrecht mint, province of Holland stamped with a revolutionary countermark: rampant lion in pearled oval

these counterstamps were made in 1572 and 1573 so that the year cannot be assigned accurately on older host coins (we will see a few more perhaps); with a host coin of 1573 there is no discussion of course




the reason for the application of counterstamps was tax collection by the rebelling provinces Zeeland and Holland to pay the war effort against the regime of king Philip II
with a stamp, the face value of the coin increased by about 10%, so for each 10 non-stamped coins, the owner would get 9 stamped pieces in return

typical is that the stamp is always places in the neck of the portrait of the king, an issue of war propaganda
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