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How Far Back Can We Go? Fifth Edition!

 
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I like that kortling!
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Brabant,
Mint Antwerp (lion in the cross)
Philip the Fair 1482-1506
double groot 1502
PHS + DEI + GRA + ARCH + AUSTE + DVX + BURG + B + Z +
PHILIPPUS DEI GRATIA ARCHIDUX AUSTRIĆ DUX BURGUNDIA BRABANTIA ETC
Philip, by the grace of God, Archduke of Austria, Duke of Burgundy, Brabant (Z stands for 'the rest')
OMNIS + SPIRITVS + LAVDET + DOMINV + ANO + 1502
let every spirit praise the lord, anno 1502
reference: Van Gelder / Hoc 119-1



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Mint Brugge (Lily in the cross)
Philip the Fair 1482-1506
double stuiver (4 groot)
ND (1502-1503)
PHS: DEI: GRA: ARChID: AUST: DVX: BU: C: FL: Z
Philipus dei gratia archidux Austrić dux Burgundić comes Flandrić etc
(Z stands for 'the rest')
Philip, by the grace of God, Archduke of Austria, Duke of Burgundy, Count of Flanders
OMNIS: SPIRITVS: LAVDET: DOMINV:
let every spirit praise the lord
reference:
Van Gelder / Hoc 119-5
DM 268




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 Posted 11/22/2019  06:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coins today!
I can add another Brabant coin, this Toison d'Argent of Philip the Fair (Antwerp mint). It is a one year type in which the sheep faces right. We will see some examples from late 1490s of the previous type where the sheep faces left:

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11/22/2019 06:54 am
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 Posted 11/22/2019  10:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Getting close to the 15th century!

I remember when that meant we were near the end, but we need to go forty years to catch the 4th edition.
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 Posted 11/22/2019  10:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I remember when that meant we were near the end, but we need to go forty years to catch the 4th edition.
Yeah, I agree!

(To put this in perspective: it's still November, but even assuming that we somehow don't get stuck on any date before catching up, we still won't be able to catch up before January.)
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 Posted 11/22/2019  10:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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To put this in perspective: it's still November, but even assuming that we somehow don't get stuck on any date before catching up, we still won't be able to catch up before January.
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 Posted 11/22/2019  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Since we have already seen a few Burgundian Netherlands coins issued in the name of Philip the Fair, and we have 3 weeks to go in his reign (and our other historians have been inactive for a while), a few words about this important historical person.

Philip was born in 1478 to Marie of Burgundy (who at the time was Duchess of Burgundy and the Burgundian Netherlands) and Maximilian (Hapsburg) of Austria. Marie died tragically in a riding accident in 1482, before Philip had even reached his 4th birthday. So Maximilian, his father, assumed the regency for his child until he came of age 1494. So, coins of the Burgundian Netherlands minted between 1482 and 1493 bear the title of Maximilian, Archduke of Austria, etc. rather than Philip's (as we will see).
Around the same time that Philip came of age, the Holy Roman Emperor Frederick died, and Maximilian became the new Holy Roman in August 1493.
In 1496 he arranged for Philip to marry Joanna of Castile, the daughter of Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain. So, at the turn of the century in 1500, we have Maximilian I as Holy Roman Emperor, Philip as Duke of Brabant and consort to his wife, Joanna who is presumptive heir to the throne of Castile, and they already have two children, the second a male heir, Charles.
When Isabella dies in 1504, Joanna inherits the crown of Castile, with Philip as consort, and the Spanish Hapsburg line of monarchs began.

Philip died unexpectedly in 1506, when his father was still emperor. But his eldest son Charles would succeed Maximilian as both Holy Roman EMperor and King of Spain.
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 Posted 11/22/2019  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a Pfennig from the German City of Lunenberg dated AD 1502:


"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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 Posted 11/22/2019  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Arkie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Brandenburg groschen





IIRC, Philip the fair/handsome was really hot garbage, literally driving his wife (who was apparently quite accomplished when they married) insane with his infidelity and other behavior.
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 Posted 11/23/2019  12:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pepactonius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1501 -- City of Hannover, 1 kreuzgroschen:

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 Posted 11/23/2019  07:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not only does the numeral 4 turn into something different as we approach 1500, but the 5 was sometimes engraved like a 4 (in the Antwerp mint, yesterday's Brabant coins) and sometimes like a 7 (German coins of last two days). The Luneburg coin's 1502 looked like 17.Z!
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Alexander de Jagiello#324;czyk
(Alexander of Poland) (1461-1506)
Denier (denar) no date 1501-1506
With Roman A (Alexander)
Lithuania


Mint: Vilnius
Reference: Sajauskas / Kaubris 62, Iva # 1AJ1-1 (Ivanauskas)

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Alexander de Jagiellonczyk (Alexander of Poland)
(1461-1506)
Polish groot (Polgrosz) 1501-1505
Mint: Krakow
MONETA: REGIS: POLONY
money from the kingdom of Poland
ALEXANDER: DEI: G: REX:
Alexander, king by the grace of God
Literature: Kopicki 389
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