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How Far Back Can We Go? Fifth Edition! We Need - 1460 C. E. (A. H. 864) -

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 Posted 01/03/2020  05:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We haven't had a gold coin pop up in this thread for a while, but here is my coin for today: a Goldgulden from the German Electorate of Pfalz (Bacharach mint) that can be dated to AD 1464. It is attributed as Felke 1395 and Friedberg 1978.



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 Posted 01/05/2020  07:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We are now entering a timeframe when the Hungarian Denars can help us continue our journey. Here is one that can be dated to AD 1463:




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 Posted 01/07/2020  05:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a gap in my OFEY collection and can't move this thread forward. Hopefully @eddiediz will pop in and push us back through 1462 and 1461.
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Hopefully @eddiediz will pop in and push us back through 1462 and 1461.
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Undated 1462 B-S Hungarian Denar under King Matthias Corvinus;Huszar 704,Unger 555a,Pohl 204-1.




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That is the one--thx!
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 Posted 01/07/2020  11:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pepactonius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like it's time to dust off the camera and get pics of the new 2020 coins for the new thread.
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 Posted 01/08/2020  08:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Looks like it's time to dust off the camera and get pics of the new 2020 coins for the new thread.
Just did the same!

(Also took pics of 2017, 2016, and 2012 coins. 2019 too, but that one was boring - just a circulating coin from my country. Already have 2018 and, IIRC, 2013. Hadn't decided what to choose for 2015 and 2014 yet.)
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Just did the same!
So that means you are good to go?
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1461 C-I Hungarian Denar under King Matthias Corvinus;Huszar 702,Unger 554c,Pohl 202-2. It is double struck.



1461 h-S Hungarian Denar under King Matthias Corvinus with a point over the S in the mint mark;Huszar 702,Unger 554g,Pohl 202-5.


This is my last one until 1455.


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So that means you are good to go?

Hey, c'mon. This thread isn't even dead and in the ground yet. I bet you chase ambulances, too

It seems that 1460 is tough not only for dated coins (is it only that Groningem coin?), but even non-dated coins that can be attributed to 1460, or 1460-61?
If not Hungary, are there others?

As part of my continuing education, I see that from early 1470s back to late 1450s the Saxony horngroschen and Wiener Neustadt coins are most accessible. It looks like the early 1450s are a relative wasteland, then the area around Cologne (Bacharach, Bingen, Koblenz, Mainz, Riel) dominates 1425-1450, both weisspfennigs and florins.
The weisspfennigs would fit one of my colleting themes (thanks to St. Peter), but it looks like we never get back that far.


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Hey, c'mon. This thread isn't even dead and in the ground yet
Do not misunderstand.

This thread will stay open. The fourth edition is getting locked.
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I changed the title to reflect what we will need tomorrow... 1460 C. E. (A. H. 864).

Today is technically still 1461, so you can post it if you got it.

If you happen to have a 1460 for tomorrow, I need to ask, "Where were you five minutes ago? The fourth edition could have used it!"

Seriously, wait until after midnight (forum time) and post it here.
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So that means you are good to go?
Well, kind of. I've taken the pics, but have yet to crop or upload them


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It seems that 1460 is tough not only for dated coins (is it only that Groningem coin?), but even non-dated coins that can be attributed to 1460, or 1460-61?
If not Hungary, are there others?
As far as I can tell, @louie had two, neither of which was from Groningen.

If you have a lot of money to spare, this appears to really be 1460 (Koln goldgulden), though I don't actually have the catalog to confirm.

EDIT: would you trust Numismall not to have a fake? If real, this coin should be eligible for 1460.
EDIT 2: an eBay example of the same type. TL/DR: a Vietnamese rebel issue supposedly minted from October 1459 to June 1460.
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