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US 1943 Series 1C Not Graded Because "Altered Surface"

 
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 Posted 07/02/2018  7:49 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add coinking7389 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I received an original bank roll of 1943 pennies and sent them off to NGC for grading. They were all returned Not Encapsulated with a reason of "Altered Surface". I have read and understood the NGC published category description associated with that explanation that they cannot tell 'how' the surface was altered. So I am a bit confused (note: I have requested further explanation but so far no response); What possible alterations could have been attempted? I look at the coins and they appear old, possibly needing conservation, but otherwise no obvious alterations. Has anyone experienced anything like this and have some sage advice?

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 Posted 07/02/2018  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No advice can be given 100% without , although they've most likely been plated.

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I can just about guaranty they've all been reprocessed/replated. They're everywhere. It was likely not an original bank roll no matter how nice and authentic it looked.


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I look at the coins and they appear old, possibly needing conservation,


Why would you bother sending them to be graded then?
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I agree with our fellow enthusiasts. Reprocessed/re-plated. You can find authentic roles but you need to be clear on what you order/find. I see lots of reprocessed steel cents being dumped at my LCS. They cull out the authentic roles for their sales and dump the rest with wholesalers.

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and dump the rest with wholesalers.


I watched a dealer one time separating them and he was putting the reprocessed ones in his cash register for change.
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With all of the above . Where did you get that original bank roll of 1943 Cents ? And may I ask what you paid for it ? I think it was a circulated roll that you received and NGC shook their heads and just gave it '' Altered Surfaces ''
Or like said above , ''reprocessed'' .
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The first red flag....AFAIK, there is no OBW rolls of 1943's. At least, I have never seen a genuine one. They pop-up on eBay now and then but every single one I've seen is fake. I'd say you just got an expensive lesson.
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Can you post pics of a couple of them?
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Can't imagine why you would send in any 1943 Cents for grading. Even in MS-65 most worth far less than the grading cost.
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I would find it hard to believe that you would be able to secure an original bank wrapped (OBW) roll of 1943 steel cents. I haven't seen them offered in such condition for years. Were they all nice and shiny? This would indicate re-plating. Can you go back to the seller with the TPG information?

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All very good and worthy comments. From my limited experience they looked fine and came from a source that would not have been involed with any alteration. Whatever occured would have been done prior to the 1970 era when they were stored away. Photos attached.

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Yep those are replated and the center one is chewed up. Worth less than $1 apiece graded or otherwise
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 Posted 07/07/2018  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely replated aka reprocessed.

I agree with machine20. they are worth less than $1 a piece.
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For sure. Keep looking!



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 Posted 07/10/2018  04:18 am  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately, the supposed "OBW Roll" wasn't OBW. It has been clearly searched, and they've been replated. This hurts the value a lot, since it alters the coins surfaces. Did you buy this roll? If you did, then you got ripped off very badly.
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