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1828 or 1823? large cent for grading  
 

 
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 Posted 07/07/2018  10:15 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jerryc39 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This one looks like an 1823 to me. Maybe VG detail. For $15 bucks or so I took a shot. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1828-Large....m2749.l2649
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 Posted 07/07/2018  10:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks 1823 to me. VG-8 Details, environmental damage
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 Posted 07/07/2018  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
an 1823 would be a much rarer coin. unfortunately the date looks closed on the left side to me indicating 1828.

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 Posted 07/07/2018  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerryc39 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
not sure how you got that close-up on the date but well done! It does look closed in your shot.
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 Posted 07/07/2018  11:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
you can use any picture editor to enlarge any image. fortunately this one had enough resolution to make something out.
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 Posted 07/07/2018  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerryc39 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
my only question is if it could be the overdate 1823/2
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 Posted 07/08/2018  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Possibly, but with that amount of corrosion, you'd probably have a tough time convincing anybody.
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 Posted 07/08/2018  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Check paralyse's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The overdate is actually more common than the regular date, although both issues are slightly tougher than other issues in the Middle Dates.

This is my N-1 (1823/2) -- note the inside of the lower part of the 3.

Note how the lowest point of the 6th star faces just a tick to the left of the coronet peak, and how close the 6th star is to the coronet, and then compare it with jerry's coin. Nothing really conclusive there, but...

...look at the reverse: on my 1823/2, the leftmost leaf stops about midway under the D in UNITED, and the rightmost leaf stops just to the right of the left upright of the R in AMERICA. On the non-overdate 1823 N-2, the leaf positions more closely match jerry's coin, BUT the leaf under F in OF extends well to the right of the F, whereas it does not with the coin in question.

Lastly, a check of the date shows that the 1st 8 is notably higher than the 1; a feature not found on either 1823 obverse, but one that IS found on the "large narrow date" 1828 obverses such as N-4; based on leaf positions, and the date, I would venture that jerry's coin is an 1828 N-4 Large Narrow Date.

(It is worth thinking about that an 1828 N-4 is an R4 rated coin, vs only R2 for an 1823/2 N-1!)




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Thanks for that explanation paralyse!
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Got my Wright book out and it looks like it might be an N-8 to me? R-3 coin according to my book.
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 Posted 07/08/2018  11:36 pm  Show Profile   Check paralyse's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yup, could be an N-8 too. I was in kind of a hurry when I wrote that and didn't do a complete check. Regardless, it's still a scarcer coin :)
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