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 Posted 07/03/2020  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EddieDiz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1. 1116-31 Hungarian Denar under King Stephen II;variation of Huszar 47,Unger 37,Rethy I-53,CAC vol. I/12.6.2/b2d2.1/9. It has a sigla of crescents on both sides of center cross near 12:00 and wedges on both sides of center cross near 6:00.





2. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1116-31,King Stephen II?);Huszar 91,Unger 40,Rethy I-75,CAC vol. II/18.6.1.1/h2.1/62. It has a sigla of a cross on both sides of larger cross between 1:00 and 3:00.





3. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1141-62,King Geza II?);Huszar 150,Unger 74,Rethy I-144,CAC Vol. II/20.8.1.1/b1.5/46. It has a sigla of a small wedge on the right side of small horizontal cross bar near 12:00.





4. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1141-62,King Geza II?);Huszar 152,Unger 72,Rethy I-145,CAC Vol. II/20.9.1.1/b1.27/64. It has a sigla of a small wedge pointing down in upper right quadrant near intersection of cross bars.





5. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1141-62,KIng Geza II?);Huszar 180,Unger 67,Rethy I-160,CAC Vol. II/20.20.1.1/b1.6/23. It has a sigla of a small wedge below and to the right of small cross near 3:00.





6. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1162-72,King Stephen III?);Huszar 113,Unger 83,Rethy I-123,CAC Vol. II/19.5.1.1/a1.33/34. It has a sigla of one point on bottom of vertical cross bar at 6:00.





7. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1162-72,King Stephen III?);Huszar 118;Rethy I-131,CAC Vol. II/19.8.1.1/a2.4/13. It has a sigla of one point in upper right and lower left quadrants near intersection of cross bars.


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 Posted 07/03/2020  1:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The designs on these are wonderful. Thanks for sharing.
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 Posted 07/03/2020  2:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EddieDiz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's unbelievable how many designs came out of the 1100-1300 time period.
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 Posted 07/28/2020  12:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EddieDiz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1. 1095-1116 Hungarian Denar under King Coloman;Huszar 40,Unger 31,Rethy I-48,CAC Vol. I/11.10/a1c1.2/69. It has a sigla of a point above a small line in upper right quadrant near the intersection of the cross bars.




2. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1116-31,King Stephen II?);Huszar 84,Unger 39,Rethy I-71,CAC Vol. II/18.4.1.1/a3.7/22. It has a sigla of a small point between small cross and larger central point at 1:00,4:00,and 7:00.




3. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1141-62 (King Geza II?);Huszar 152,Unger 72,Rethy I-145,CAC Vol. II/20.9.1.1/a1.3/4. It has a sigla of one small point to the right of vertical cross bar near 12:00.





4. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1141-62,King Geza II?);Huszar 124,Unger 71,Rethy I-133,CAC Vol. II/19.10.1.1/a2.16/53. It has a sigla of a small point in upper left and lower right quadrants between larger central points and intersection of cross bars.





5. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1141-62, king Geza II?);Huszar 139,Unger 65,Rethy I-118,CAC Vol. II/20.2.1.1/b1.3/22. It has a sigla of one small wedge in upper left quadrant betwween small and large horizontal cross bars.





6. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1162-72,King Stephen III?);Huszar 171,Unger 85,Rethy I-157,CAC Vol. II/20.18.1.1/b1.1/33. It has a sigla of one small wedge at 12:00.





7. 1526 K-B Hungarian Denar under King Louis II with VNGAR/VNGARIE legend variation;Huszar 841,Unger 673o,Pohl 255-19.



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 Posted 07/28/2020  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I always enjoy these updates. Great looking coins. Thanks for sharing.
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Thank you Bob L.
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 Posted 07/28/2020  8:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
It's unbelievable how many designs came out of the 1100-1300 time period.


My thought exactly. Great additions to an already amazing collection.
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 Posted 07/29/2020  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EddieDiz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you,Spence. Even with all of the designs I have there are many more from that time period I don't have. Not to mention many of them have over 400 sigla varieties.
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 Posted 07/30/2020  07:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gabibacsi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"1373-82 under King Louis I with no points around double cross;Huszar 547,Unger 432a,Pohl 89-1."

This is an interesting coin, because on the obverse there is a head of a black man. The mint of Pécs city was founded in 1283 and in the 1370's years the chief engraver was a black man - Szaracémusz. In this time maybe the only black man in the whole Hungarian Kingdom. His appearance (race) on the coin was like a trade mark, so the king allowed him that instead of the Coat Of Arms his face can be on the obverse.
The common name of this piece in old hungarian language is "Szerecsenfejes dénár", Szerecsen=Black people, fejes=head and affix.

Congrat to the denars!
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@gabi, thanks for the fascinating contribution!
I know there are a few other collectors here with this coin (@spence has one), and since Louis I was King of Poland at the same time, some Poland collectors have coins of Louis I in their collections.

I have seen this coin referred to as "Moor's head denar" in English, or "denar z glowa saracena" in Polish (maybe Szaracemusz = Saracen?). I think at this time in history, Hungary was the southeastern frontier between the Christian and Islamic worlds, so maybe Mr. Szaracemusz was a migrant (either willing or unwilling) from the Ottoman empire?
I am sure there is an interesting personal history there.
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 Posted 07/30/2020  08:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gabibacsi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Extra:

https://www.google.com/maps/@46.077...16384!8i8192

This is the place of Szaracemusz former house, two big "coin" on the gate, Szaracemus head from right to the king.
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 Posted 08/15/2020  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EddieDiz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1131-41.King Bela II?);Huszar 102,Unger 53,Rethy I-90,CAC Vol. II/18.13.1.1/a3.8/36. It has a sigla of 3 points in a straight line at about 4:00. This is my 42nd sigla variety of this type..





2. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1116-31,King Stephen II?);Huszar 92,Unger 41,Rethy I-76/77,CAC Vol. II/18.7.1.1/c2.1/53. It has a sigla of one small line on both sides of cross at about 2:00.




3. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1116-31,King Stephen II?);Huszar 84,Unger 39,Rethy I-71,CAC Vol. II/18.4.1.1/c3.2/62. It has a sigla of 2 small parallel lines and one perpendicular to them near small cross at 1:00.




4. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1131-41,King Bela II?);Var. of Huszar 97,Unger 49,Rethy I-84,CAC Vol. II/18.11.1.1/b1.2/34. It has a sigla of a small wedge at about 3:30 next to larger wedge.





5. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1116-31,King Stephen II?);Huszar 76,Unger 42,Rethy I-65,CAC Vol. II/18.1.1.1/h1.6/112. It has a sigla of a small cross in upper right quadrant between larger point and wedge just above horizontal cross bar.




6. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1141-62,King Geza II?);Huszar 145,Unger 68,Rethy I-125,CAC Vol. II/20.5.1.1/b1.9/31. It has a sigla of a small wedge pointed against a larger wedge on line at 2:00.




7. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1162-72,King Stephen III?);Huszar 118,Rethy I-131,CAC Vol. II/19.8.1.1/b1.13/35. It has a sigla of a small wedge above "N" in lower right quadrant. The "N's" look more like "H's".




8. Anonymous Hungarian Denar (1162-72,King Stephen III?);Huszar 171,Unger 85,Rethy I-157,CAC Vol. II/20.18.1.1/b1.24/56. It has a sigla of one small wedge pointing up in center of obverse on 2nd vertical line.




9. Anonymous Hungarian Denar,1162-72,King Stephen III?);Huszar 140,Unger 81,Rethy I-119,CAC Vol. II/20.3.1.1/a1.3/4. It has a sigla of one point to the left of the top of the vertical cross bar near 12:00.

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 Posted 08/16/2020  07:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gabibacsi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, guys ... this is all a great piece, but tell me why American collectors buy coins from the time of the Árpád dynasty? I don't understand because this age is gone 720 years ago. It lasted only 301 years, and the family left no trace in almost any large monarchy. I even understand that an Americans collects Mexican or German maybe French coin because there is a historical connection between America and the other countries, but I can't imagine why he collects coins from the house of Árpád.

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Actually,I started buying them several years ago when the original "How far back can we go" thread was stuck then I thought why not put together a collection of the entire run of the denar. Then I saw the many different designs and variations during this time period. I originally was going to just put a collection together of the 1500's. I also have the majority of the 1400's (not as much a majority as the 1500's).
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 Posted 08/16/2020  10:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gabibacsi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For me the 7th is the most beautiful, but I think this is a variation of Unger 82. or Huszár 117. (here is the book in my hand). According to Unger, this is also the most expensive of the 9.
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