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Kingdom Of Poland Coins By Century (963 - 1586)

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 Posted 10/19/2018  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll start us off by posting my earliest Polish grosz/groat/groschen/gros.

Upthread the rare Casimir III Krakow groat was mentioned, and Alexander also minted a groat in Vilnius which is rated RRR in Gumowski. The first affordable groats minted in Poland were those issued by Zygmunt the Old in the late 1520s (starting 1526).
Bad news: they are still crown-and-eagle type.
Good news: more interesting design than the crown and eagle designs of the last 150 years. Nice size (about 24 mm like a US quarter) And not terribly expensive.
By the early 1530s, the striking of groats in Krakow had ceased, but a new type bearing a renaissance portrait of the king was being struck in Gdansk/Danzig and Torun. I think we will see a few of these in the next week.

I have this 1527 grosz attributed as Kopicki 417.
Obv: Crown and inscription. SIGISMUND/PRIM*REX/POLONIE
Rev: Eagle. MONETA REGNI POLONIE 1527

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Around the same time as that Krakow grosz, Zygmunt began issuing the first ever large format Polish silver coins with the king's portrait (recall there were some images of the king or duke on small denars of the 11th to 13th c.). First were the short-lived Krakow trojak and szostak (1526 only). Then the grosz of Torun (from 1528) and Gdansk (from 1530). Initially the king has that Renaissance "page boy" look, which I find a bit humorous when he was already in his 60s. But hey, fashionable hair is also for the young at heart!

Here is a 1534 grosz from the Torun mint, Kopicki 3089.
Obv: Renaissance portrait. SIGIS I REX PO DO TOCI PRVSSIE
Rev; Sword-wielding (Prussian) eagle. GROSS COMV TERR PRVSSIE

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 Posted 10/20/2018  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The beauties keep coming, and excellent thread.
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 Posted 10/20/2018  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wOW! Now thats a nice coin!

Lovely detail, bad haircut...

I vagualy remember a post of yours with a group of these I`m looking forward to seeing them..Paul
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 Posted 10/20/2018  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scopru to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
great coins tdziemia
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My Want list: http://goccf.com/t/188411
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Quote:
Lovely detail, bad haircut...


That haircut was almost ubiquitous from the late 1400s to the mid-1500s among European sovereigns, but I couldn't agree more about how it looks on him.

I know there are some "How Far Back..." contributors with Polish coins from this era, so I hope they'll chime in soon!
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 Posted 10/21/2018  5:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One more, and then I'll sit on the sidelines for a while.

So, it's time for Zygmunt to get his bangs trimmed, he goes to Stanislawa's Beauty Salon, and gets comfy in his favorite chair. Stasia gives him a nice welcome, then as humbly as possible lets him know that everyone's making jokes about his hair, so, maybe it's time to try something new. Maybe a bit shorter, something that looks good under a little hat ...
He goes along with her suggestion, and whaddaya know:


Same year, same mint, new portrait, with a hat under the crown. (Kopicki 3090).

The engraver(s) at Gdansk would use the older portrait for another few years.

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As you know I am not a collector of medieval coins but I am finding this thread very interesting...

Nice coin and really like the powerful representation of the eagle weilding sword..

Interested to know what this guy was like as a ruler?

Any ideas why there was the sudden change from bad haircut to cool hat in the same year?

Please PM me hairdressers number...Paul

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 Posted 10/21/2018  8:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are a few early examples of mine from this week's time period: Half-Groschens from Poland dated 1507, 1508, and 1508 AD (attributed as Kopicki 407, 408, and 409, respectively):







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 Posted 10/21/2018  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great contributions!

And nice examples of the type! That 1507 is the earliest dated coin from a Polish mint (Krakow) coined in the name of a Polish sovereign.

However, there is a 1506 Silesian groschen minted under Zygmunt's name while he was duke of Glogau, Silesia (under Bohemian rule) that is generally regarded as the "earliest dated Polish coin." I know there is a board member with that coin, and I hope to see it posted here (since I've gotten skunked in two recent auction attempts to get one )/
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Hmm my coin dated 1506 AD is from Bavaria, so it isn't me.
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 Posted 10/21/2018  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
http://goccf.com/t/277302&whichpage=287
Page 287.

There is one of these at the upcoming Niemczyk auction. Maybe time to "go big or go home" (well ... not THAT big, but more than what I've spent on anything posted for the last 3 centuries).
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Ok well while we wait for @giedrius to cross-post his Groschen, here are a couple more Half Groschen from Poland dated 1510 and 1511 AD and attributed as Kopicki 411 and 413, respectively.




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 Posted 10/22/2018  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That makes a complete date series for that type (all Gum.480)!


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I'm not sure if anyone else is actively buying Polish coins, but this will be a different kind of post.

As a direct result of my involvement with CCF, I began expanding my Polish collection this year. Most of my Polish coins purchases 1998-2017 had come from one European auction house (Elsen), one U.S. specialist in central Europe (Karl Stephens), and a smattering of other sources.

Now, I am checking out a variety of other European auctions, and have been surprised to see how many early Polish coins are slabbed. And it's not just rare high value coins, but even 1/2 grosz coins that often sell for $75 or less (sometimes a lot less). By chance, I found myself on the NGC census recently, and was only mildly surprised to see these statistics that rank the number of certified coins by country for Europe (I use the term loosely, and hope our UK friends won;t be offended):
1. UK 263,125
2. Russia 158,358
3. Poland 90,362

That would have shocked me if I weren't already expecting it.

It led me, of course, to wonder: who and why?
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