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Nice. Where are you finding all these super coins?
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Catalogue of Lithuanian half-groats 1495-1529 http://goccf.com/t/282866
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Quote: Where are you finding all these super coins? I've been collecting older Polish coins for about 20 years, echizento. Though I must admit that CCF has inspired me to grow it more this year than it has grown for a long time. The 16th c. coins are plentiful, and not extremely expensive (though I know that "expensive" is always relative). They can be found at Polish auctions (WCN, Marciniak, Niemczyk and others), Kunker, WAG, Emporium Hamburg. IN the past I also bought from Karl Stephens. Quote: Lithuanian groats of Sigismund I , dated 1535-1536, are'nt rare in general. Thanks for the research! As you say, the median sale price for a Vilnius groat of Zygmunt I at WCN for the last two years is 900PLN, or $250. By comparison, that is more than double the price for any other coin I have posted in the last week. So, as you say, they are not rare, but they are valuable. I would like to have an Elbing trojak of Zygmunt I in my collection, which will also cost me at least this amount of money. And if I want a Torun Trojak of Zygmunt I, I will be lucky to find a one in VF for $500. (BTW, I am using the Polish Zygmunt rather than the Germanic Sigismund because (a) we are dealing with Polish coins, and (b) this was the name of my grandfather!)
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Under Zygmunt II "August" we see a completely different pattern of the mints in use. The Krakow Royal Mint is not operating; all denominations are produced at the Vilnius (Lithuania) mint, a few at Danzig though for a limited duration (1549-1558 with just a few exceptions), and only denars at Elbing and Fraustadt/Wschowa. There is also a curious overlap of coinage across the reigns of father and son. Zygmunt I reigned until his death in April 1548, and there were grosz minted at Krakow in his name dated every year from 1545 to 1548. Zygmunt II did not ascend the throne until 1548, yet there are coins issued at the Vilnius mint starting in 1545 with HIS name, too Here is a 1557 Vilnius half groat with the same design as those issued under his father's name about 50 years before. Kopicki 3249:  
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Yes, there's Lithuanian half-groat 1557, 4SA68-16 in Ivanauskas catalogue, without rarity. Engraver Martin Wartemberg. More interesting and rare 1557 half-groats of engraver Jorge Behm, f.e. https://wcn.pl/archive/167716?q=1557+wilno .
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Very grateful for your insights on the Lithuanian minted coins.
I obtained this half groat in a lot, with Zygmunt I, Alexander, Kazimierz, etc. half groats (also the Swdinica). So I am not surprised it is the more common one. I had noticed in auctions the varieties of 1557 half groat ... but lacked a reference to understand the differences.
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1511 Lithuania/Poland. 1/2 Groat. Segismund I - The old (1506/1548)  
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1561 Lithuania/Poland. 1/2 Groat. Sigismund August.  
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Thanks for the contribution of two nice "eagle and knight" type half groats, dorado. I think that 1511 is one of the earlier dates of that type from the Vilnius mint (the type started in 1508). I'll move up the denomination ladder to this grosz/groat of Zygmunt August issued in Vilnius for use in Poland, dated 1547. Kopicki 3281, Gum. 610. The symbols below the date, reverse, are the king's monogram, SA, which figures more prominently on some other coins of his reign, and to the right, a symbol used by the Jagiello kings.  
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Quote: Thanks for the contribution of two nice "eagle and knight" type half groats, dorado. I think that 1511 is one of the earlier dates of that type from the Vilnius mint (the type started in 1508). You are welcome!
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@giedrius, I realize that I forgot to mention also the new Tykocin mint used by Zygmunt II toward the end of his reign. I do not yet have a coin from there, but hope eventually to add one to my collection. Zygmunt II also introduced a new denomination, a 4 groat coin (czworak), from 1565-1569. According to Gumowski, the coin was 4.29 g at 87.5% silver. About the size of a quarter, slightly smaller in weight than half testons elsewhere in Europe. This type also documents the advancing length of Zygmunt's beard since the portrait on the 1547 grosz  . 1569 czworak (4 groat) Kopicki 3315.  
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Nice denomination set! (... in factors of 3: solidus/schilling = 1/3 groat. 3 groats = trojak).
Two more examples of that Prussian sword-wielding eagle, and a great portrait of Albert, Duke of Prussia/Brandenburg, an important historical figure who was first the 37th Grand Master of the Teutonic Knights (1511-1525), but after meeting with Martin Luther in 1525, broke with the Roman church, converted to Lutheranism, and established the secular Duchy of Prussia, pledging loyalty to his uncle, Zygmunt I of Poland.
That solidus represents just the second year that coins were issued in the formerly Prussian city of Torun bearing the name of Sigismund/Zygmunt.
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As mentioned upthread, since the founding of the Jagiello dynasty of monarchs in the 1380s, Poland and Lithuania were governed jointly by a single monarch who served as king of Poland and grand duke of Lithuania. In 1569 this arrangement was formalized into the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth by Zygmunt II August in the Union of Lublin. Equally important, this treaty created an elected monarchy. Future monarchs would be elected by the Sejm, the combined parliament of the Commonwealth populated by nobility roughly in the ratio of 3:1 Polish to Lithuanian. When Zygmuint II died in 1572 without a living brother or child, Henry Valois of France was nominated, then elected king of Poland in May 1573, also with the hope (or promise) that he would wed Anna Jagiello, younger sister of Zygmunt. Henry was crowned in early 1574, but less than 6 months later, his brother Charles IX of France died, leaving the French throne to Henry, who left Poland (and jilted Anna). The parliament of the Commonwealth notified Henry that unless he returned by May 1575, the throne would be considered vacated, which is what came to pass. Anna began to press her case to be elected Queen, but since there was no provision for a woman to be elected alone, marriage to Stefan Batory of Hungary was proposed, they were jointly elected King and Queen at the end of 1575, and married in mid-1576 (first time a bride at age 52!) From a numismatic viewpoint... - The last silver coins issued in the name of Zygmunt II are dated 1569 (there was a gold ducat dated 1571). - During the 1572-73 interregnum, there were denars and schillings minted in Gdansk/Danzig dated 1573. - In 1574-76 no coins were struck in Poland/Lithuania as far as I can tell. However, French coins minted under the reign of Henry III bear the legend HENRICUS III D G FRAN ET POLO REX (Henry, by the grace of God, King of France and Poland). So collectors of Polish coins often include a coin of Henry since he was on the Polish throne in title if not in person, in 1575. - Stefan Batory did not issue coins before 1578. However, the burghers of Gdansk rebelled at his election, and there is siege coinage of Gdansk/Danzig dated 1577. In short, the 1570s is a tough decade for Poland collectors. There is small interregnum silver dated 1573. French coins dated 1575 in the name of Henry III as king of Poland. Gdansk/Danzig siege coinage of 1577, and finally starting in 1578 a broad range of denominations in the name of Stefan Batory. So, here is my Henry III coin, a 1575 teston:  
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