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1910 Lincoln Wheat Cent Bie - Jc Just Listed A New "Oldest" Bie

 
 
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 Posted 01/10/2019  1:59 pm Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Had a nice evening last night. Switched to a bag of wheats and found 1934-D RPM-001, 1938-D RPM-002/DDR-001, 1947 DDO-001/FS-101 and 1936 DDO-001/FS-101. But those are all doubles for me so this was the one that got me excited and goes in the collection. A 1910 BIE "multiple". The previous oldest was 1930, so now it'll take finding a 1909 to go back any further.

1910 Lincoln Wheat cent BIE - LDB34567-1910-001






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 Posted 01/10/2019  2:02 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tropicalbats, congratulations on the new listing! That's a cool find.
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 Posted 01/10/2019  2:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cool finds! Also congrats on the 1936 DDO. That's a nice one to find! Happy hunting!

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 Posted 01/10/2019  3:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a BIE, just a broken post I think. But interesting!
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 Posted 01/10/2019  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stoneman227 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's the die crack/break going through Liberty that qualifies this coin .
Very nice TB ,
My oldest like this is in the 1940's , newest is 1995. Always on the hunt for them !
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 Posted 01/10/2019  4:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sweet! It almost looks as if you can barely see a shadow of VBB on the reverse.
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I completely concur with Coinfrog. It's a cracked die, and a Chipped die.
If it were BIE, there would be something between the B and the E.

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If it were BIE, there would be something between the B and the E.

"BIE" is a general attribute for a die break between, in front of, or after any of the letters in LIBERTY.
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I think you'd get some argument there.
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I at times argue with myself. Sometimes I win , sometimes I lose
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Actually your right Coinfrog. According to Jean Cohens book "The Classification and Value of Errors on the Lincoln Cent" The break has to be between, above or below any of the letters, so by definition a break before the "L" or after the "Y" would not be considered a "BIE".
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Just having fun, though I do think that to many collectors of this anomaly, a BIE is strictly a BIE. But to your point, a broken post is not between, above or below any letter (as in this case), but rather WITHIN a letter - how does that square with her definition?

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I do think that to many collectors of this anomaly, a BIE is strictly a BIE.


Seems to be that way.
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But to your point, a broken post is not between, above or below any letter (as in this case), but rather WITHIN a letter - how does that square with her definition?


The broken post is just that. The "Multiple BIE" is the die break (crack) that runs between several of the letters.
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 Posted 01/10/2019  11:33 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin was vetted by JC Stevens, error editor for cuds-on-coins and a fellow I have huge respect for. He says it's a BIE so I am not really going to do the is it/isn't it thing. However, every once in a while it is worth noting that "BIE" is a category not just a die break between the B and the E. Folks can go by whatever definition they want, but numismatically the die break for a "BIE" coin does not need to be between those letters.

But not all die cracks/issues on LIBERTY qualify. Quite a number I've submitted have been declined as not meeting the criteria (my bad, but I'm not the expert). Sometimes I'm certain it is, and sometimes I don't know so I submit images for vetting. An example of one that was determined not to be a BIE is below as an example of one that isn't a BIE, just a die crack. It is on a 1945 coin.


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