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1957 D LWC Nice Little Die Crack. Updated, New Pics Added. What Occurrence?

 
 
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 Posted 01/10/2019  5:14 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I found this 1957 D LWC with a nice little die crack running over the letter T and through the top of the R in the word TRUST. John1 pointed out the bottom of the bust so the last three pics were just added. Thanks John1 for pointing that out.






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 Posted 01/10/2019  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a die crack.
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 Posted 01/10/2019  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The start of a proto rim then? What is then John1?
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Could be a die attrition error like my 1945 P but honestly not sure.



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Thanks Stoneman, I can definitely see where that could be the case.
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I'm not sure what it is, but it is not a die crack. Let's wait for coop.
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 Posted 01/11/2019  04:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Did you also notice below the bust?
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 Posted 01/11/2019  07:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You know John1, I didn't until you mentioned it! I'll take some close up pics
and post them.
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 Posted 01/11/2019  12:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks as if the reverse die shattered and parts of it imprinted on the obverse die face?
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They are called concentric die scratches. Note how they follow the rim area? Something damaged the die face. The die gouges below the bust is also die damage. They are seen on different varieties of attributed cents. But more of a use as a marker, not a premium for the coin. It is not die attrition as this is caused by the die being out of the correct alignment, making the rim/die edge go away moving the rim closer to the devices.

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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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Thanks Mr. Coop. The striations in the Die indents kind of make me think that the reverse die may have shattered and the pieces imprinted on the obverse die face. It is definitely a die gouge of some sort. I guess what is making me think that the reverse die face shattered was all the years I ran a machine press and seeing what shattered dies look like. I can't thank John1 enough for pointing that area out. That taught me a valuable lesson to start looking there first then work my way up.
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Jim0815, I would keep it still, wether it has a premium or not. It's a cool find.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
1988 P LMC RDV-006, 1998 P LMC Wide AM, and 2000 P LMC Wide AM. http://goccf.com/t/327834 http://goccf.com/t/294303 http://goccf.com/t/312900
1973 D Lincoln Memorial cent With Recurring Die Subsidence Error Information. http://goccf.com/t/304624
Machine Doubling tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
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Definitely in a 2x2!
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@ coop
Very nice illustration!

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Nice one!
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 Posted 01/12/2019  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a lot more if anyone wants to see more on the subject?
Richard S. Cooper
Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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