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2013-P 25c Fort Mchenry WDDR-010 Debunked

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 Posted 07/23/2019  10:04 pm Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I'm working on uploading my Fort McHenry DDRs to my site. This coin is one of my favorite for DDs as there are about a dozen DDRs that are relatively strong for the series and some of them, especially WDDR-001, seem to be somewhat rare.

I've recently noticed that die deterioration can affect this design in a way that can be easily confused with true die doubling.

I have two examples of WDDR-007, one mid-die state and one late-to-very-late-die state. Here's two pictures, one of each coin, of the exact same location:

Now if this is the same die, why is the doubling so drastically different? It's because this doubling not true doubling. It's just die deterioration doubling. Wexler describes this separation on WDDR-007 as true doubling, but only the extra thickness is true doubling.

Here's the images of WDDR-010, this is the only doubling mentioned in the description:

This doubling looks like, and is in the same location, as the die deterioration doubling I see on my WDDR-007. I don't believe this one is a true DDO.

What do you guys think? Do you agree or did I miss something?

Here's some links to the listings for this coin (my site included) if you wanted to look at some of these cool DDOs:

Also, just want to note I'm keeping a placeholder # for many of the known Fort McHenry DDRs that I have not found yet, so this page may look incomplete for a while.
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 Posted 07/23/2019  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add levelsofmadnes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hmm interesting... not much room for it to be a different DD unless it connects to the other star burst line.

EDIT: PM me on the ones you don't have. I may have extras.

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07/23/2019 11:26 pm
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 Posted 07/24/2019  12:08 am  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting Tanner. I would love to hear more input on this thread later on.
More information about Die Deterioration?
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information.
Machine Doubling Tutorial.
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions.
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial.
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial.
2000 P LMC With Retained Struck Through error.
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