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Valens Bronze, Siscia Mint

 
 
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 Posted 07/23/2019  10:45 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Flavius Julius Valens has gone down in history as the loser of the Battle of Adrianople, a profound catastrophe, and his death there marked a turning point for the fortunes of the entire empire.

While I don't normally bother too much with Roman coinage from these later periods, I thought this specimen more attractive than most. I have it as RIC IX 5b (Sear 19745).





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 Posted 07/23/2019  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Super detail, nice even patina, no blemishes, and a great reverse. Well done.
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 Posted 07/24/2019  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice detail.
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 Posted 07/29/2019  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Came across another Valens bronze today, this one struck at the Aquileia mint.





What's interesting is that on the reverse atop the labarum is pretty obviously a chi-rho symbol (or, if you prefer, specifically a chrisnon or sigla, and more generally a christogram). Also, to the right of the labarum pole is another symbol, which perhaps is supposed to be a tau-rho (or staurogram, considered to constitute a rudimentary form of the crucifix). It's most certainly not a dot within a crescent.



On account of the discrepancy with regard to this second marking, it's not clear to me how well this specimen conforms to RIC IX 7b, which otherwise seems to be the closest match.

Looking more closely at the specimen with which I started this topic, it may also be that the labatum bears the chi-rho, albeit not so well formed nor consequently as readily recognizable.

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Nice coins.
I'm pretty ignorant about ancients, but am curious what was the earliest use of the chi rho symbol on coins.
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I'm...curious what was the earliest use of the chi rho symbol on coins.

This topic is covered very comprehensively here: http://numisology.com/Early_Christian_coins.htm

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 Posted 07/30/2019  5:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add travelcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is a great example - I once had an excellent one and over cleaned it. Did one of my experiments and buried it. A year later I couldn't find it. Busted out the metal detector and everything it's still missing. The search is still on
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Here's one more Valens I picked up today, once again struck at the Aquileia mint. A very ordinary type with lots of minor variations. I'm not sure if this one'd slot in as RIC IX 9 or RIC IX 12. Although the Victory goddess/personification was a longstanding pagan motif, some of these did add a chi-rho in the reverse field. This specimen, with plain fields and the SMAQP mint mark isn't represented precisely on Wildwinds.





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 Posted 08/07/2019  01:51 am  Show Profile   Check Victor's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Victor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Also, to the right of the labarum pole is another symbol, which perhaps is supposed to be a tau-rho (or staurogram, considered to constitute a rudimentary form of the crucifix). It's most certainly not a dot within a crescent.



To the right of the labarum is B over
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To the right of the labarum is B over

The incompleteness of the "B" threw me, but now I can see that it is indeed that and not a tau-rho. RIC IX 9b, type iii exhibits a "B" over a dot but with the mint mark SMAQS. RIC IX 9b, type ii(a) has the correct mint mark, but no mention of the dot below the "B". My specimen clearly falls in somewhere amongst these minor variations.

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I'm not sure if this one'd slot in as RIC IX 9 or RIC IX 12


RIC 9 and 12 are exactly the same. The only distinction is that RIC 9 was issued before the elevation of Gratian and RIC 12 after.
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