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Austrian Half Kreuzer?

 
 
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 Posted 09/10/2019  7:30 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Apparently undated, my thought being it might be an issue of Francis (Franz) II, but so far I can't find an exact match. 21 mm in diameter, with the weight coming in at just over 3 grams.





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 Posted 09/10/2019  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could it be Franz I? Design looks close but the weight is far off.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces39181.html
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Spence - I think you've more or less nailed what it's supposed to be. The reason that the weight is so light is that my specimen at the edge is only about 1 mm thick rather than the 2 mm specified on the Numista webpage you referenced. So maybe mine's a contemporary counterfeit, a forgery of the 1760 no date variety?

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Yes could be a contemporary counterfeit. A couple other possibilities would be a coin weight or spiel marke. Someone with more knowledge than I have will need to weigh in I think.
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I think you've more or less nailed what it's supposed to be.

I agree. On another thread, it was mentioned that these AUstrian copper types were changing size appreaciably in the late 1700s to early 1800. The 1/2 kreuzer is at about 5.5 g in the 1760s, 4.5 g in the 1770s, 4 g in the 1780s, and 2 g by 1800. But those are always with type changes.
So maybe this was use of the wrong thickness planchet?
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