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 Posted 09/17/2019  8:13 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I Have been wondering about this for a while. Wexler says in many of his proof listings on his website that since it's a proof variety, it can be considered rare. I wanted to know your thoughts on how rare proof varieties actually are. I have this 1960 proof DDO-006 dime that I cherrypicked a while ago (which was, in my original post, inaccurately attributed as the FS-105), and It Is the only proof variety I have found to date. Is that just my luck or is that an example of the rarity of proof varieties? All opinions are welcome. Thanks!

Scroll to WDDR-002 here, and look at the comments to see an example of what I mentioned above:
http://www.doubleddie.com/377722.html

-CH27

My DDO


Doubled die listing: http://varietyvista.com/07%20Roosev...0PDDO006.htm
"Time is the coin of life. Only you can determine how it will be spent" -Carl Sandburg

Some of my best finds:
1867 Indian cent RPD Snow-1 http://goccf.com/t/357323
1963 25 Type B reverse http://goccf.com/t/352858
1964 LMC Tapered Planchet http://goccf.com/t/344895
1942 LWC DDO FS-104 http://goccf.com/t/344022




Edited by CoinHunter27
09/17/2019 8:21 pm
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 Posted 09/17/2019  8:48 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Awesome find by the way!

Since I don't go through proof sets very often, I can't be sure, but I am assuming that they are much rarer than varieties on Business Strike coins.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/357614
2000 P LMC With Retained Struck Through error. http://goccf.com/t/357080
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 Posted 09/17/2019  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks E&V! I am happy with this one-it's pretty significant in my opinion. Thanks for your input!

-CH27
"Time is the coin of life. Only you can determine how it will be spent" -Carl Sandburg

Some of my best finds:
1867 Indian cent RPD Snow-1 http://goccf.com/t/357323
1963 25 Type B reverse http://goccf.com/t/352858
1964 LMC Tapered Planchet http://goccf.com/t/344895
1942 LWC DDO FS-104 http://goccf.com/t/344022




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 Posted 09/17/2019  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No problem! Do you like my new profile picture by the way? It's a high AU 1928 P LWC that I found CRH, on my birthday. Got it for face value.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/357614
2000 P LMC With Retained Struck Through error. http://goccf.com/t/357080
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 Posted 09/17/2019  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! CRH that's an incredible find! I would have probably fell out of my chair. :) Amazing find!

-CH27
"Time is the coin of life. Only you can determine how it will be spent" -Carl Sandburg

Some of my best finds:
1867 Indian cent RPD Snow-1 http://goccf.com/t/357323
1963 25 Type B reverse http://goccf.com/t/352858
1964 LMC Tapered Planchet http://goccf.com/t/344895
1942 LWC DDO FS-104 http://goccf.com/t/344022




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 Posted 09/17/2019  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you man! It was a great find that I'll never forget!
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/357614
2000 P LMC With Retained Struck Through error. http://goccf.com/t/357080
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 Posted 09/17/2019  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unforgettable for sure!

-CH27
"Time is the coin of life. Only you can determine how it will be spent" -Carl Sandburg

Some of my best finds:
1867 Indian cent RPD Snow-1 http://goccf.com/t/357323
1963 25 Type B reverse http://goccf.com/t/352858
1964 LMC Tapered Planchet http://goccf.com/t/344895
1942 LWC DDO FS-104 http://goccf.com/t/344022




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 Posted 09/17/2019  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It depends, some are common and some are not. The 1962 Proof 1c has a score of them, while 3CS proof variaties can be quite rare. A lot of factors go into it.
My best finds: 1999-WAM:http://goccf.com/t/332161 1988-RDV-6:http://goccf.com/t/335954#2873459 1986-Off-center: http://goccf.com/t/335952
1999 WAM #2:http://goccf.com/t/338710&whichpage=1
1981 Double Struck In Collar: http://goccf.com/t/350199&whichpage=1
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 Posted 09/17/2019  10:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your input CF!

-CH27
"Time is the coin of life. Only you can determine how it will be spent" -Carl Sandburg

Some of my best finds:
1867 Indian cent RPD Snow-1 http://goccf.com/t/357323
1963 25 Type B reverse http://goccf.com/t/352858
1964 LMC Tapered Planchet http://goccf.com/t/344895
1942 LWC DDO FS-104 http://goccf.com/t/344022




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 Posted 09/18/2019  05:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In general,proofs would be more rare simply because of the way the dies and coins are made.
John1
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 Posted 09/18/2019  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another reason they are rare is the fact that proof dies are used to strike a MUCH smaller number of coins. On the old vertical presses a business strike die would produce more coins in 30 minutes than a proof die does during its entire lifetime. With the horizontal press make that 5 minutes. Typical proof die lasts between 3 and 5 thousand coins which gives you an upper limit to the number pieces there would be for a proof variety.
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 Posted 09/18/2019  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the info! So a proof Variety would have a pretty small mintage then. I like the sound of that! The only problem with a small mintage is that it would make it much more difficult to find a proof variety you want. I have been looking for a 1971-S Eisenhower dollar FS-801 for some time:

http://varietyvista.com/13%20Eisenh...1SDDR005.htm

Sadly, no luck.
Thanks to you both!

-CH27
"Time is the coin of life. Only you can determine how it will be spent" -Carl Sandburg

Some of my best finds:
1867 Indian cent RPD Snow-1 http://goccf.com/t/357323
1963 25 Type B reverse http://goccf.com/t/352858
1964 LMC Tapered Planchet http://goccf.com/t/344895
1942 LWC DDO FS-104 http://goccf.com/t/344022




Edited by CoinHunter27
09/18/2019 10:44 am
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