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1867 3 Nickel Tilted Die Error?

 
 
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 Posted 10/08/2019  5:41 pm Show Profile   Check Yokozuna's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add Yokozuna to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
How would you grade the coin?

Click on the picture for a larger image.


I'm wondering if this strike may be a Vertical Misaligned Die Error also known as a Tilted Die Error. The coin is weak in the same area on the obverse and reverse rims with a stronger strike showing on the opposite rims. The depth of the denticals also supports the idea of a tilted die strike as they vary in depth from one edge of the rim to the other. The coin displays a Rim Cud and other possible die damage on the obverse in the weak area and a die crack at the K:2 position on the reverse.

The coin shows little to no wear on Liberty's cheek. Could the areas that show design weakness be due to a weak strike caused by tilted dies instead of actual circulation wear?

Let me know what you think about the possible tilted die error and weak strike.
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 Posted 10/08/2019  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fioti to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The rim cud around 9-10 o'clock would be a new listing. I'm just not convinced

10-12 isn't damage. A close-up of this area would be dandy


Edit, after I typed that, I thought to click the pic, to

mag it. It seems to confirm what you are saying.

If it were me, I'd run it by cudsoncoins 1st.

There's a contact link on the main page.
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10/08/2019 6:36 pm
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 Posted 10/08/2019  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Check Yokozuna's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Did you click on the original picture? If I did things right it should open a larger image.

Here's the detail of the area. I didn't mean the coin was damaged, but the die that struck it.

Click on the picture for a larger image.
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 Posted 10/08/2019  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe it's a simple misaligned die strike. Note the center of both obverse and reverse is strongly struck.

These early 3CNN (as well as Shield nickels) are much more common with cuds, die cracks and chips, than they are without them.

Want a REAL challenge? Find this year without die problems and strongly and evenly struck.
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moxking said...

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Want a REAL challenge? Find this year without die problems and strongly and evenly struck.


I'm starting to see that! I've had these coins for years, I just never looked at then in any detail. I even found one with a shattered reverse die, but it's not in great condition.

I need to take pictures of about 20 more nickel 3 cent pieces and a couple of silver. My new lens is really helpful at viewing the details on my coins.
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fioti said...

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...I'd run it by cudsoncoins...

I'll do that. I want to send this coin and the 1881 3 with the retained die break to them for possible attribution. Thanks for the suggestion and I'm happy that the click to view larger size works.
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 Posted 10/09/2019  08:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That click to enlarge is neat. I like that.
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