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Rating System Fails This Coin, Maximianus Follis, 85% Surface Ef

 
 
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 Posted 11/07/2019  7:15 pm Show Profile   Check louisvillekyshop's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add louisvillekyshop to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Really this coin, to call it even VF+ is a shame as 85% of the surface is amazingly sharp and 15% by the mint mark has the real issues. So I know saying 85% of the surface is EF is not correct but it so much more captures the coin status to me and just like they always say the Eskimos have so many more ways to describe snow then we do in English, this coin is neither EF or VF+. But it is 85% EF and 15% Poor.

Maximianus Follis Rome, 302-3 AD.
Laureate head / Moneta
standing l., holding scales and cornucopia; star//RS. RIC VI 109b.
9.94 grams, 28 mm.




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11/07/2019 7:16 pm
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 Posted 11/07/2019  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The encrustation on the reverse hurts the grade, it can be removed. Provided there is no damage underneath it would bring up the grade IMO to aEF.
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 Posted 11/07/2019  7:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree the red encrustation is a bit of a put off but its still a nice coin..
Even if you did or could remove it without damaging the coin it looks as if this area of the strike is quite flat and probably wont show much detail anyhow..

PS..Its still a shame I cant buy from you
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11/07/2019 8:01 pm
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 Posted 11/07/2019  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How about "EF details downgraded slightly to aEF due to moderate localized encrustation on the reverse"?
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 Posted 11/07/2019  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Very Fine or better in terms of wear, uneven strike, brown surfaces, adhesions".
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 Posted 11/07/2019  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sheldon grading standards irrelevant but
almost all ancient coins have a comment to go with a grade.

In this case, the "poor" part would knock at least 50% off the value off an otherwise EF grade value.

(85 + 15)
_________ = 50
2

To be honest, I have never applied this sort of formula to an ancient coin value before, but curiously, it perhaps applies here.
Why?
I am mixing areas with values. - not mathematically correct.
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 Posted 11/08/2019  05:34 am  Show Profile   Check FVRIVS RVFVS's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I disagree
One key factor in grading an ancient coin involves the 'competition'
With extreme rarities allowances can be made for the fact that the owner is quite lucky to even have one in any condition !
In this case we have a type that was produced in great quantity and is commonly found in large hordes
The empire at this time (tetrarchy) was a solidly top heavy military dictatorship with vast sums of high quality folles being issued
to pay the enormous military maintained by four full time emperors
For me to grade this type as EF or near
I expect three things
I expect to see good silvering
I also expect to see some luster remaining in the fields with little evidence of wear on any of the high points

But that's not what I see
I know I probably sound mean and harsh about this
But I own nearly a hundred of these types (around 50% London - 25% Trier & Lyon)
There are quite a few folles in EF+ yet to be found
Buried long ago by pensioned veterans of living out their retirements in the vineyards of Gaul


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Edited by FVRIVS RVFVS
11/08/2019 05:37 am
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