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1983 D LMC Second Incuse Trus On The Rim (Not Backward)

 
 
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 Posted 12/01/2019  11:19 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I was relooking at this 1983 d LMC coin for the spiderweb-like surface cracks on the plating when I noticed the TRUS on the rim over TRUST, which is offset slightly to the east.

I don't think it is PSD as TRUS is in the proper sequence.

Let me know your thoughts on what this might be called.
Thank in advance. PP55

ps. The neat spiderweb is only stress cracks on the plating. You can see some deformation on the reverse image,at the base of ONE CENT.

pss.As a side note it might have some light thickness on the 983, U of TRUST and E of WE.








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 Posted 12/01/2019  11:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe this could help? CouchDiver1978's coin is very similar to yours.
http://goccf.com/t/361550
Could also be random damage that looks like letters.
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 Posted 12/01/2019  11:27 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can see damage on the reverse. I honestly think it's just damage and not an error coin.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/357614
2000 P LMC With Retained Struck Through error. http://goccf.com/t/357080
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 Posted 12/01/2019  11:53 pm  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The first sign it's damage is that it is incuse. I actually do believe it's backwards. What you call the S is the R: the vertical bar can be seen on the right side of that "letter" which means it's reversed.
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 Posted 12/02/2019  01:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks QH72, E&V and Spruett001 for the repliies.

QH27, thanks because I saw that thread but couldn't find it. Those letters were definitely reverse order. And mine isn't the one refernced in the link because the rim restricted second strike would be raised.

E&V, This one has definitely seen better days but there is something odd about that area through ONE CENT as well. That crease may have been on the coin when it was struck.

Spruett001, It is hard to tell but I was looking at the full curve over the T, which looked like the S to me. If it were in reverse order from PSD this is where the R would be but there is no straight side (east side of the full curve) that would be the leg of the R. The rim letters over the real RU look deformed.

I know incuse lettering almost always indicates PSD but
I thought there are a few legitimate errors that are incuse (but they are not mirror images)?

Unfortunately, the lettering on the rim isn't as clear as I first thought.
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I too am on the PMD wagon.
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 Posted 12/02/2019  05:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@pp55, on the other hand, it looks to me like this coin was struck with a slightly MAD. Not enough to add value to the coin though.
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 Posted 12/02/2019  08:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to everyone who has added to my understanding.
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