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How Far Back Can We Go? Sixth Edition!

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 Posted 09/17/2020  01:43 am  Show Profile   Check paralyse's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Princetane it's Mexico City (the O above M on the mintmark is still visible) and mintmaster appears to be FF.

That would leave the following dates:

1772, 1778-1783, 1784

of which 1780-1783 are by far the most common dates, with 1772, 1778-1779, and 1784 being scarcer.




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 Posted 09/17/2020  01:54 am  Show Profile   Check paralyse's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For 1780 here is a (modern restrike) 1780-dated Maria Theresa Thaler (MTT) graded MS 66 by NGC with a nice prooflike cameo effect.


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 Posted 09/17/2020  03:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erafjel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
France 1780, liard, Louis XVI, Paris (A).

A liard equalled 3 deniers and was the lowest denomination during the 18th century. It was just small change, few things cost less than 1 sol (4 liards).

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 Posted 09/17/2020  03:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Paralyse, definitely 178something as I can make out an 8.
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 Posted 09/17/2020  04:07 am  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A Dutch Duit:

Lovely thaler, paralyse! Mine was obtained by my parents from a bank in Salzburg, Austria - it was my 11th birthday present! (The vertical stripe across the obverse is from the envelope it was supplied in).

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 Posted 09/17/2020  04:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erafjel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Maria Theresia thalers have a timeless beauty and they are a small sideline in my collection. So here is the one I have with actual minting date closest to 1780.

Austria, 1780 restrike (actual date 1781-88), GŁnzburg.

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 Posted 09/17/2020  04:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes erafjel you are right. The easiest way to see if you have an original or fairly original Maria Theresa Thaler is to look at the U in Austria, shaped like a U its 1780 to 1792, if its shaped like a V then its a restrike.
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 Posted 09/17/2020  05:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erafjel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
V vs U is indeed a start . There are several details in the design that can be used to determine mint and time span for a restrike. A good online resource for determining varieties of MTTs is this page: http://www.theresia.name/en/index.html
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 Posted 09/17/2020  05:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eligius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This classic coin should certainly be included. Extensively sed in the 18th to 20th century as a trade coin in the Middle East and Africa and struck with the "frozen" date of 1780 (the year Empress Maria Theresia died). The specimen shown is a modern (20th century) restrike made at the Vienna Mint.

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 Posted 09/17/2020  06:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pepactonius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
(I forgot about this one.)

1986-2017 (1780 restrike), Archduchy of Austria, 1 thaler:



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 Posted 09/17/2020  07:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's one of mine. Probably a mid-20th century restrike, as I know it's been in my collection since the early 1970s, maybe a bit earlier


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 Posted 09/17/2020  07:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Thanks Paralyse, definitely 178something as I can make out an 8.


I am going with 1782. I think I can see that upper loop of a 2 next to the 8, but you should probably be able to tell better with it in hand.
The top of the 2 looked similar to the top of a 9 in the late 18th c. on these coins. Here is a 1772 2 r. from Mexico City showing this:

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 Posted 09/17/2020  09:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Arkie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A more worn example




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 Posted 09/17/2020  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Check paralyse's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I love all of the MTT's and it's nice to see a couple of originals posted as well.

Another pickup point to look for is the brooch on the obverse: oval or rounded, and with or without pearls.

Note the lack of brooch pearls on erafjel's GŁnzburg coin.

As a trade coin which has been in use and circulation for 240 years, it's nice to see some other examples posted showing wear such as Arkie's, and not just the modern restrikes and proofs.
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No silver for me today, but here is a Pfennig that may look somewhat familiar...


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