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How Far Back Can We Go? Sixth Edition!

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 Posted 09/24/2020  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Check paralyse's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A pair of imitation 1773-dated halfpennies.

The first is reasonably heavy, but the engraving is haphazard and the strike is terrible. Despite that, it still would have probably passed in circulation.

The second is nearly Uncirculated, relatively speaking, but overstruck on an unknown token or coin, possibly either a colonial US issue or a Palmer (mail coach) token.

Note the wide variations in the date and lettering, as well as the general features of the bust and of Britannia.




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1772 -- Viceroyalty of New Spain, 2 reales:




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 Posted 09/25/2020  12:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pepactonius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1772 -- Principality of Furstenberg-Stuhlingen, 1 kreutzer:



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 Posted 09/25/2020  04:03 am  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great Britain 1772 halfpenny:
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 Posted 09/25/2020  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Check paralyse's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Really nice example of the GEORIVS variety @numisrob!

Here is a 1772 SC 5 Kreuzer of Maria Theresa from the Margraviate of Burgau in Austria.


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An equally well-worn 1772 A 1/3 Thaler from Prussia...



...and a Louis XV Sol from 1772, minted in Lille (W) if I remember it correctly.


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1771 British halfpenny:
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1771 -- Kingdom of Denmark, 1 skilling:



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1771 -- Siberian Governate, 2 kopeks:



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Fantastic coin. I had guessed those critters were foxes, but Numista says sables.
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Fantastic coin. I had guessed those critters were foxes, but Numista says sables.


I always thought they were just dogs.
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They are in fact sables!

It is a reference to the fur trade, and the prized furs from Siberia...and also a not-so-subtle reference to the reason Russia wanted to conquer and annex Siberia in the first place.

Here is a 1771-dated evasion halfpenny from Britain.

Prior to the King's imposition of harsh penalties on forgers, the counterfeit (imitation) halfpennies had mostly the same legends as their regal counterparts.

After the Royal Act which made counterfeiting punishable by death (!) the counterfeiters could no longer directly copy the same legends, so they had to get creative -- they had to look reasonably close, not too hard with high rates of illiteracy, but that left a wide margin to work with...

This is a common evasion type: it has GREGORY III PON / BRITAIN RULES instead of GEORGIVS III REX / BRITANNIA as expected. The 1771 date is a farce; this coin would have been struck in the late 1770s or early 1780s in my opinion. Later evasion issues often have 1780s dates just to make absolutely sure no one could confuse them with a regal halfpenny, the striking of which had ended in 1775.

(Pope Gregory III died in 741, so the most likely reason for using his name in the legend was the close-enough resemblance to the real King's name.)


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Here is a nice 1771 IC-SK 20 Kreuzer from Austria (Vienna mint), with Maria Theresa as Empress.

20 Kreuzer = 1/3 Gulden


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1770 -- Republic of United Netherlands / Holland, 2 stuiver:



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