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How Far Back Can We Go? Sixth Edition!

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@eddiediz, great to see you here. Hope you'll be in the thick of things for the next 250 years!

1703 Saxony-Poland 3 pfennig, Dresden mint

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I try to post new coins I have received since the last edition unless we get stuck.

1703 K-B Hungarian Duarius (2Duarius=3 Denar).

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Here is a 1703 4 Kreuzer (Batzen) from Württemberg in Germany.


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1702-1703 -- Mughal Empire, 1 rupee:



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1702 -- Landgraviate of Hesse-Darmstadt, 1 albus:



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1702 -- Republic of United Netherlands / Holland, 1 duit:



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 Posted 12/04/2020  07:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I recall that 1c5d explained the symbolism of this scene that shows up on coins of Holland, but the synapses are failing me this morning.
Poland, 1702 szostak (6 groschen).

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Here is a 2 Mariengroschen from the German State of Brunswick-Lunenburg-Calenburg-Hannover dated 1702 AD:



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Always nice to see a good Mariengroschen about and Spence's is really nice!

The oddly-named denomination is a result of the first coins struck in Goslar in 1505, which featured a rather unusual "standing Madonna" design, where Mary is standing, crowned robed, holding the infant Jesus in her left arm and enwreathed by squiggly lines intended to depict flames or the "heavenly radiance" of the sun. The legend, "MARIA MAT GRACIE" is an abbreviated Latin form of "Mary, Mother of Grace" or "Mary, Gracious Mother" (Maria Mater Gratiae.) Originally struck to a fairly high standard of purity, they were rapidly debased and devalued, losing 75% of their intrinsic value in less than 100 years.

Later Mariengroschen after the 17th c. lost the Madonna imagery (which was used in different motifs on other coins of Goslar, and later more famously Bavaria and Würzburg, to name a couple) and featured instead e.g. the leaping horse of Braunschweig or Hanover, or the Wildman of Braunschweig.

The various Mariengroschen denominations (from a tiny 1/48 Mariengroschen to the largest 24 Mariengroschen i.e. 2/3 Hanover thaler) were minted in one form or another up until 1821 (with a token Braunschweig issue to 1834) by the various cities, free states, principalities, and dukedoms in what would now be the German states of Niedersachsen and Nordrhein-Westfalen.

Oddly enough, I don't know of any full Thaler equivalent Mariengroschen coins ever being struck (such a hypothetical coin would have theoretically been denominated as 36 Mariengroschen.) If anyone knows of one, please share!
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Very grateful for that history @paralyse.

First, add the German bishopric of Hildesheim to that list of places that actually had an image of Mary on their Mariengroschen... I have one for 1687 with exactly the imagery you've described. But maybe someone else will get there before me.

I've not yet done the required research, but I guess the places you mention that retained the Madonna on their coins were the pats of Germany that remained Roman Catholic after the Reformation?

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1701 -- Royal Mint of Silesia, 3 kreuzer:




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1701 -- Kingdom of England, 3 pence:



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1701 Silesia, 3 kreuzer:


This is our first coin on the thread with Holy Roman Emperor Leopold. We've got 40 more years of his reign, and I'm sure we will see a LOT more of him here well into January, as high grade coins of his are quite attainable .
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1700-1709 -- Republic of Venice, 1 zecchino:



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1700 -- Kingdom of Hungary, 1 poltura:



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