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How Far Back Can We Go? Sixth Edition!

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 Posted 01/27/2021  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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TIL! I just thought that (the free city of) Riga was a separate authority from the rest of Livonia and consequently had separate coinage, much like the separate coinages of Danzig (consistently) and Elbing and Torun (occasionally) within Poland itself.


Maybe two ways of saying the same thing? I think the cities of the Hanseatic League were granted rights (such as coining) from the Holy Roman Emperor. That covers Riga, Danzig and ELbing. Torun I think is different, and just passed from Prussia to Poland in 1500s . (Edit - Maybe I mixed that up with the free imperial cities ).


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I have a coin from Livonia photographed, but it's dated 1645, so wouldn't show up for a few more days. It looked slightly debased, so I thought it was one of the Moldavian (Suceava mint) issues, but it doesn't look that debased, so apparently it's probably real - good to know!

My coins from Livonia in this era vary from "coppery" (see my post for 1649) to "silvery" appearance which also made me wonder if all are authentic. I say if nobody cries "FAKE" when we post them, then we're good!



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 Posted 01/28/2021  12:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pepactonius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1647 --Kingdom of France, 1/12 ecu:



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 Posted 01/28/2021  07:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1647 schilling of the Swiss Canton of Lucerne:

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 Posted 01/28/2021  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a 3 Kreuzer from Styria/Austria (Graz mint) dated 1647 AD:


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 Posted 01/29/2021  12:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pepactonius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1646 -- Dominion of Swedish Livonia / Riga, 1 solidus:



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 Posted 01/29/2021  07:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Really attractive Austrian coin @spence!

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1647 --Kingdom of France, 1/12 ecu
. There is something unsettling about a laureate bust of a 9-year old Louis XIV.

For 1646, a more mature sovereign on the 1/2 ducaton of the Duchy of Brabant, Philip IV of Spain. He was the uncle of Louis XIV (Philip's older sister, Anne of Austria, was Louis' mother).

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 Posted 01/29/2021  4:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thx @tdz!

Here is a 4 Grote from the German Free City of Bremen that is dated 1646 AD:


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 Posted 01/29/2021  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Arkie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a Riga solidus that I have which lacks a date.




This is a sheet of solidi that was sold to me by the LCS for a dollar.


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 Posted 01/30/2021  07:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK! time for 1645!

I bought this coin back in 1983 when I lived in Wales. paid
£20 for it at the time.

Charles I shilling, struck at the Tower mint under Parliament, mm sun (1645-6).
Please ref this [age for age determination:
http://www.leodishammeredcoins.co.u...ducts_id=166



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I bought this coin back in 1983 when I lived in Wales

Coins with a personal story like that are the best!

1645 Duchy of Brabant 1/4 patagon.

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I'm back to Austria for today. Here is another 3 Kreuzer, but the mint is Hall and the date is 1645 AD:


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 Posted 01/30/2021  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pepactonius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1645 -- Dominion of Swedish Livonia / Riga, 1 solidus:



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 Posted 01/30/2021  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pepactonius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1645 -- Kingdom of France, 1/12 ecu:



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 Posted 01/30/2021  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@arkie, based on when you posted that solidus, maybe you've already done the research, but it looks like the legends on your coin narrow the date range to 1645-47 (if the lettering variants in Numista are reasonably complete).
Also, I love your photo of the page where that coin originated. Do the empty spots reflect YOUR cherrypicking, or someone who got to it before you? (and the one at the lower left looks pretty nice)
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 Posted 01/31/2021  03:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erafjel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I open up 1644 with a real tiny piece of silver.

France 1644, 1/48 écu, Louis XIV, Paris (A).



This tiny coin weighs 0.57 g and is 12.5 mm across. There is no smaller coin minted in France since and I think one has to go back to medieval obols to find one of lower weight*. Having the same silver fineness as the écu (917/1000) and valued at only 15 deniers, it couldn't be any larger. Despite its small size, it was not a completely insignificant coin - it would buy a pound of bread or a few eggs. It was minted only 1642-44 and probably wasn't very popular - it must have been really easy to lose.

Look here for a size comparison with a dime!

* The Béarnaise vaquettes (3/4 denier) can have smaller diameter, but are on average slightly heavier.
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