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How Far Back Can We Go? Sixth Edition!

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 Posted 02/18/2021  8:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
More Siggy from me for today. Here is a Polish 6 Groshen (Krackow mint) dated 1626 AD:


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 Posted 02/18/2021  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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As far as fashion goes, seems the French are ahead of the Poles, Habsburgs and everyone else in the late 1620s.


There are SO many things to learn from our coins, and I think the "How Far Back..." thread is an especially good venue for observing all kinds of things like this.
In addition to the personal grooming angle (hair/moustache/beard), I have wondered about the royal headgear choices (crown vs. laurel wreath). In recent days, Louis XIII is laurate on those doubles tournois through the 1630s, as is Ferdinand on the Hapsburg coins. In Poland, Jan Casimir is both laureate and crowned (1650s-1660s), but Sigismund is only crowned. In Lorraine, the dukes wear crowns through the mid-1500s, but are bareheaded thereafter. (I'm less familiar with British issues during this timeframe).
I know the laurel crown harkens back to Roman representations, but it's not clear to me why some sovereigns used it, and others not.


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Polish 6 Groshen (Krakow mint) dated 1626

I've always been struck by the cartoonish character of this portrait of Sigismund (disproportionately large eyes, etc) and wonder what was going on at the Krakow mint starting in the mid-1620s. Maybe the chief engraver died, and his apprentice wasn't up to the task? We will see 1 and 3 groschen coins minted in Krakow from 1600 to 1623 with more normal busts of the king.

1625 Duchy of Lorraine teston of Charles and Nicole

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 Posted 02/19/2021  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikev50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 02/19/2021  11:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Princetane is bringing some added value to the topic!
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 Posted 02/19/2021  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree @tdz, that some of these Siggy portraits include odd bug-eyes.

For today, here is a burly 1 Ore from Sweden (Sater and Nykoping mint) dated 1626 AD:




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 Posted 02/19/2021  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@mikev, that's quite a nice example of the type, evenly struck (many have weak spots).
Here is my Polish coin for 1625, another 18 groschen from the Gdansk mint:

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 Posted 02/20/2021  08:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1624 Poland 18 groschen, Bydgoszcz mint. Same mint and portrait as @jgenn's lovely 1628 thaler, but a common coin worth only about 3% as much.

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 Posted 02/20/2021  09:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erafjel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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here is a burly 1 Ore from Sweden (Sater and Nykoping mint) dated 1626 AD

An interesting coin, @Spence! It is made with a rolling mill, a technique used in Sweden from 1625 and onwards (some experimentation had been done in the 1570s, but this 1 öre belongs to the first coins for which the technique was used regularly). The same type of coins were minted in both Säter and Nyköping. Based on the shape of the crowns, your coin can be attributed to Säter. Säter was (and is ) a small municipality in the county of Dalarna, and the reason for minting copper coins there was the proximity to Falu copper mine.

@tdziemia, your Lorraine coins always makes me consider extending my area of collection to that region .
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 Posted 02/20/2021  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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your Lorraine coins always makes me consider extending my area of collection to that region


The Charles III (1545-1608) and Charles IV portrait coins come up frequently at auction for prices that are pretty reasonable
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 Posted 02/20/2021  10:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EddieDiz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1624 P-P Hungarian Denar under King Ferdinand II.


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 Posted 02/20/2021  11:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Based on the shape of the crowns, your coin can be attributed to Säter.


Duly noted--thx for the information! Looks like Säter is only a couple hours North of Stockholm. I haven't made it down that far South into Sweden, but hopefully will someday.

This 3 Groshen from Poland is even smaller than @tdz's coin for today, although mine was minted in Krackow.




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1623 Poland- Danzig Ort

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 Posted 02/21/2021  07:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice!
And me too (maybe even an obverse die match?). I'm curious what grade yours has?

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(maybe even an obverse die match?)
Full die match, I'd say - die cracks/chips and/or rust spots match on both sides. (Except inside the 6, where only @tdziemia's coin seems to have the chip.)
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