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How Far Back Can We Go? Sixth Edition!

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1620, a slightly crumpled Lithuanian 2 denar


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 Posted 02/24/2021  7:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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1620, a slightly crumpled Lithuanian 2 denar
Neat! Not exactly a denomination one sees very often...

I've got a 3 denar coming up in a few days (if I don't forget) and IIRC that's even rarer.
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I've got a 3 denar...


I remembered that you had one from the Lobsenz mint, and was thinking it was in the 1620s ... looking forward to seeing it.

In the meantime, I also have a 1620 solidus from the Riga mint, since we haven't seen one of these yet for Sigismund's reign. That makes the 7th denomination for this reign (thaler, then 18, 6, 3, 1.5 groschen (dreipolker), solidus (=1/3 groschens), 2 denar (=1/9 groschen).
I think we will get up to 10 denominations by the time we reach 1600.

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that you had one from the Lobsenz mint
Don't recall that? No, mine's the normal type, apparently attributed to Poznan (thus on Numista in particular) or occasionally to Krakow. Kopicki 582.
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OK. Will be waiting

1619 Poland 3 groschen, older brother to the coins @spence posted in the 1620s:

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1618 Spanish Netherlands / Duchy of Brabant ducaton.
I love the lion on the reverse, whose expression seems to be saying "I've been holding this shield for 400 years now ... can someone please give me a break?"

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1618 Lithuania Shilling ( at least thats what the slab says)


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OK ... this is getting strange. First pepactonius disappears, and now spence.
Alien abduction?
Better offer from some other coin forum?

1617 Livonian solidus (as part of Poland-Lithuania Commonwealth).

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1617 Netherlands (West Friesland) Loin Daalder


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loin daalder


Does that mean you have to carry them in your codpiece?
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First pepactonius disappears, and now spence.


Dang work/life balance all out of whack the past week or so.

Here is my 1/24 Thaler from the German Duchy of Pomerania (Stettin mint) dated 1617 AD:


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I've got a 3 denar coming up in a few days (if I don't forget)
As promised...



Poland, Sigismund III, ternar/trzeciak (3 denars), 1616.
Various references claim Poznan or Krakow mint.

Kopicki 582, Numista 96636 but lumped there with several other types.
Not in Krause as far as I'm aware - perhaps my only such coin in the period covered by Krause.

14x13 mm, 0.32 g (according to my earlier post on it).
Apparently (according to the same post) it's supposed to be larger, heavier, and in better silver.
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Lovely daalder , and @arkie gets one of these

@j1m, two comments on the trzeciak. First, that date must be pretty rare because I could not find a sale record either in the WCN archive (which goes back over 15 years), or on OneBid. It seems the recent thinking is that this type was minted in Poznan, and that Kopicki was incorrect for reasons elaborated here by Marciniak (online Polish-English translator works pretty well except it doesn't understand the coin denomination): https://onebid.pl/en/auction/523/lo...dny-i-rzadki

1616 Livonian 1/24 thaler = 1 groschen. Another confusing coin because it resembles the Polish "dreipolker/poltorak" which was valued at 1 1/2 groschen at the same time. But the reverse legend says this is a silver groschen of the City of Riga. Krause calls it a groschen, but Numista calls it a 1 1/2 grossus.

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Looks like we are pretty tightly clustered geographically today, considering I've got this well-worn Livonian Schilling (Riga mint) dated 1616 AD:



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1615 german thaler----


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