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How Far Back Can We Go? Sixth Edition!

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 Posted 03/05/2021  06:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erafjel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
France 1611, double tournois, Paris (A).



"Buste enfantin" - "Childish bust" - is this portrait called in French numismatics. Louis XIII became king in 1610, only 8 years old, after his father, Henry IV, had been assassinated by a Catholic fanatic.
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Buste enfantin

Sometimes our coins are almost as good as an art museum where we can see portraits of the powerful throughout their lives

Poland 1611 1 groschen. I am not sure what the diemaker was thinking when he used a combination of numerals (1) and letters (I) for the date.

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he used a combination of numerals (1) and letters (I) for the date.


Yes a very interesting topic to me. I'm working on a manuscript for the next KOINION on this very subject.

For today, I have this Spanish Half Real (Barcelone mint) dated 1611 AD:


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Haven't seen Spain in a while.
1610 Poland 1 groschen Krakow mint

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Ah good, we have made it back to 1610 AD. This will be my last large-size silver coin to post on this thread I think (and among my first, but that is another conversation).

Here is a Thaler from the German County of Saxe-Weimar:


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I can't wait, we are closing in on where I have 3 coins to post..

Edit: Well 5 if we get all the way to 1272..
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closing in on where I have 3 coins to post..

@dearborn looking forward to seeing them!


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This will be my last large-size silver coin to post on this thread I think (and among my first, but that is another conversation)

Aw, c'mon ... don't leave us hanging...
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1609 liard, Principality of Arches and Charleville/Duchy of Nevers and Rethel.



The Principality of Arches and Charleville is the first French feudal state to issue copper liards (3 deniers), surely inspired by the liards of nearby Liège and Spanish Netherlands.

Charles I Gonzaga was Duke of Nevers and Rethel (two small duchies in central and northern France) as well as Prince of the in 1608 established Principality of Arches and its at the same time founded capital Charleville. All titles listed on this not too large coin .
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Well 5 if we get all the way to 1272..
I sure hope so!

I have a few entries for the 14th century but nothing for the 15th (yet - there's one coin I should probably post for ID that seems likely to be a dated 15th century issue).
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Charles I Gonzaga was Duke of Nevers and Rethel ... as well as Prince of the in 1608 established Principality of Arches

...and (edit: from 1627) Duke of Mantova (Italy) which the Gonzaga family ruled through the Renaissance and into modern times.
It was quite a powerful and well-connected family. With the forceful urging of Louis XIII, Charles' daughter, Marie Louise, married King Jan Kasimir of Poland (who was on a lot of the coins posted here in the 1660s), and is acknowledged to have been one of the most powerful women in the history of Poland.Her death in 1667 is believed to have contributed to Jan Kasimir's abdication the following year.

CHarles' father's cousin was Saint Aloysius Gonzaga, after whom numerous schools and one university in the U.S. are named.

1609 Livonia solidus:


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Hey I've got a Double Tournois of Charles I Gonzaga for today!


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1608 Lithuanian 1 groschen of the Poland-Lithuania Commonwealth.

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Is anyone thinking that we should start Edition 7 soon.

For those of us with out piles of European silver coins from 400 years ago, it's hard to watch.
Part of the reason why I started the Antipodean spin off (Now in the more recent and coin filled year of 1924).
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Is anyone thinking that we should start Edition 7 soon.


Well, typically we don't start a new thread until the current one catches up to the old one. However, unless we find a replacement for @louie, I'm not sure that we will catch the 5th edition. I'm sure @jbuck is prepared for this eventuality...

For today, I have another French Double Tournois (Lyon mint) with some severe pitting on the obv, but a quite pleasant rev.




"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb

"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz

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