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1432 (AH 835) - apparently none found (bd251's coin turned out to be a different date?) Here's the correction What my brain saw:  Reality:  Here's the entry from The Coins of the Indian Sultanates I learned I need to look at the entire inscription, and not just the date, especially with a somewhat crusty coin like this. I purchased Arabic Coins and How to Read Them a few weeks ago. Maybe I should get around to reading that. You can put me down for another AH832  Edit: also thanks to @j1m for catching my mistake and maintaining the integrity of this thread!
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I remember the first edition being stuck on 1491. At that time I could not imagine we would ever be sitting on 1432. It is an impressive journey when you look back at the road behind us. I remember when the Third Edition finally made it past 1491, only to get stuck at 1487. (Somewhat ironically, a coin from 1487 finally showed up just as the next edition was closing in, and there just barely wasn't enough time to get through 1486 as well. For a while it looked as if the 3rd and 4th editions might end up briefly moving in lockstep just a day or two apart.) Apparently in the listing I made at the time (June 2017, just under six years ago), I did point out 1432 as an important sticking point... Quote:
This means that in total we have 1489-8, 1485-1, 1479-4, 1472-68, 1466-5, 1463-2, 1459-8, 1449, 1447-6, 1444-0, 1438-6, 1434-3, and a few scattered 1421 and older. (I misremembered the 1467, which I mentioned in a previous version of this post; it was actually 1465.)
In other words, we're still missing 1487-6, 1480, 1473, 1467, 1464, 1461-0, 1457-0, 1448, 1445, 1439, 1435, and a lot of dates before 1432 (by which point we might as well switch entirely to AH dates).
The 1457-0 range will be somewhat tricky (but perhaps doable with Muslim dates, where it corresponds to 863-56 AH). No comment on the rest, sorry. Admittedly at the time 1432 was less "we have trouble getting through that date" and more "after this point we're almost completely empty for a while". (The equivalent point in our current situation is 1402.) It's indeed a little hard to believe that since then we've filled in enough dates that if we find 1432 we'll have a pretty smooth run ahead of us for a while more. And yeah, back when the first edition was stuck in the 16th century and even getting into the 1490s sounded like a miracle, I'm not sure I'd have believed that we'll ever get as far as 1432. ...Or I might have been an optimist and assumed that Islamic dates would rapidly send us into the early medieval centuries at some point. Hard to say.
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05/30/2023 06:52 am
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I do enjoy the retrospection. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.  |
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June bump!  We Need - 1432 C. E. (A. H. 835) -  |
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July bump!  We Need - 1432 C. E. (A. H. 835) - |
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August 2023 bump, and with it, an updated version of the 1432-1308 gap listing... I added some more recent acquisitions/postings, fixed a few typos, and expanded the multi-year gap stretches for ease of further editing (and for a better visual understanding of just how bad our 1400s/1390s situation is at the moment). 1432 (AH 835) - none found (bd251's coin turned out to be a different date) 1431 - Spence 1430 - bd251 1429 - bd251, Spence 1428 - tdziemia 1427 - Spence, tdziemia 1426 - Spence 1425 - bd251 1424 - bd251 1423 - Spence 1422 - Spence 1421 - Spence 1420 - Spence 1419 - Spence, tdziemia 1418 - bd251 1417 - Spence 1416 - bd251 1415 (AH 818) - none found 1414 - erafjel 1413 - erafjel 1412 - JohnConduitt 1411 - Spence 1410 (AH 813) - none found 1409 - JohnConduitt, tdziemia 1408 - tdziemia 1407 - tdziemia 1406 (AH 809) - none found 1405 - JohnConduitt, Spence, tdziemia 1404 (AH 806) - none found 1403 - tdziemia 1402 (AH 804) - none found 1401 (AH 803) - none found 1400 (AH 802) - none found 1399 (AH 801) - none found 1398 - JohnConduitt 1397 (AH 799) - none found 1396 (AH 798) - none found 1395 (AH 797) - none found 1394 (AH 796) - none found 1393 - tdziemia 1392 (AH 794) - none found 1391 (AH 793) - none found 1390 (AH 792) - none found 1389 - SilverKeeg1388 (AH 790) - none found 1387 - january1may 1386 - JohnConduitt 1385 - EddieDiz 1384 - tdziemia 1383 - EddieDiz, JohnConduitt, Spence 1382 - Collects82 1381 (AH 783) - none found 1380 - JohnConduitt 1379 (AH 781) - none found 1378 (AH 780) - none found 1377 (AH 779) - none found 1376 - tdziemia 1375 - Spence 1374 - january1may 1373 - tdziemia 1372 (AH 773) - none found 1371 (AH 772) - none found 1370 - JohnConduitt 1369 - JohnConduitt 1368 (AH 769) - none found 1367 (AH 768) - none found 1366 (AH 767) - none found 1365 - JohnConduitt 1364 (AH 765) - none found 1363 - JohnConduitt, tdziemia 1362 - JohnConduitt 1361 - JohnConduitt 1360 - JohnConduitt 1359 - JohnConduitt 1358 - JohnConduitt 1357 (AH 758) - Spence's coin is apparently unclear in attribution? I couldn't quite tell 1356 (AH 757) - none found 1355 (AH 756) - none found 1354 (AH 755) - none found 1353 (AH 754) - none found 1352 (AH 753) - none found 1351 - JohnConduitt 1350 (AH 751) - none found 1349 - JohnConduitt 1348 (AH 749) - none found 1347 - tdziemia 1346 - JohnConduitt, Spence 1345 (AH 746) - none found 1344 - tdziemia 1343 - tdziemia, Spence 1342 (AH 743) - none found 1341 (AH 742; AH 741?) - none found 1340 (AH 740) - Spence? 1339 - tdziemia 1338 - EddieDiz, Spence, tdziemia 1337 - tdziemia 1336 (AH 736) - none found 1335 (AH 735) - none found 1334 - january1may, tdziemia 1333 - Spence 1332 (AH 732) - none found 1331 (AH 731) - none found 1330 (AH 730) - EddieDiz? 1329 - Spence, tdziemia 1328 (AH 728) - none found 1327 - Spence 1326 (AH 726) - none found 1325 - tdziemia 1324 (AH 724) - none found 1323 (AH 723) - january1may? 1322 (AH 722) - none found 1321 (AH 721) - none found 1320 - Spence; JohnConduitt (frozen date) 1319 - Spence 1318 (AH 718) - none found 1317 - zorosenpai (AH 717) 1316 (AH 716) - none found 1315 (AH 715) - none found 1314 (AH 714) - none found 1313 (AH 713) - none found 1312 (AH 712) - none found 1311 - Spence 1310 (AH 710) - none found 1309 (AH 709) - none found 1308 (AH 708) - none found (though see below) AH 707 (1308 or 1307 AD, conversions vary) - JohnConduitt As I mentioned in the previous version, I'm probably missing a lot of post-2019 CCF acquisitions - especially for the 14th century - so corrections very much appreciated. |
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August 2023 bump, and with it, an updated version of the 1432-1308 gap listing... Thank you for the update! We Need - 1432 C. E. (A. H. 835) -
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I present for discussion this uniface Heller from the German Bishopric of Cologne. It seems as those these are generally attributed to having been struck in 1432 AD, although they were definitely struck under the authority of Dietrich II von Moers (1414-1463). The attribution is Noss 346; however, I don't own this specific reference book. I'm inclined to call this one as legitimately being from this single year, but am also hoping for either confirmation or alternate views before we move this thread back further. Thoughts anyone?   Added: here are links to a couple other examples: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5314622https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=228874 "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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Very interesting! You would probably not get any further from my area of expertise. I anticipate a good discussion! |
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Hmm was hoping for some input on that Heller. Any thoughts from the hive as to whether it can be attributed to just 1432 AD?
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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I couldn't find any good sources one way or another, partly due to not being sure where to look. Noss (1913) is not on Google Books (apparently because there's a reprint from 1975) and not on Internet Archive (apparently because no one bothered to put it there); I hadn't checked HathiTrust yet but I'd be surprised. [EDIT: AFAICT it's not there either.] I did find a museum page (and an overview - this type is about 2/3 in - that appears to be citing the same museum) that provided a less precise date of 1420-1437. Most other sources date it to 1432. As mentioned I couldn't find the original Noss catalog anywhere so far. [EDIT 2: found the museum listing for the exact coin in the overview.] Edited by january1may
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Ok thx for looking into this @j1m. I think it is still a little inconclusive--it might be that the museum took a wider view based on the time that the Archbishop was in place if they didn't have access to Noss.
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Regardless, nice effort, J1M. |
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Anyone else with any thoughts on the dating of this coin (or access to the Noss reference)?
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For those who do not scroll back... Quote:
The attribution is Noss 346; however, I don't own this specific reference book. I'm inclined to call this one as legitimately being from this single year, but am also hoping for either confirmation or alternate views before we move this thread back further. |
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