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 Posted 01/15/2020  1:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll add - before getting back to work here - that the left coin may be from the same area. Rotated 90 degrees the group of little spheres may well be a hair bun at the back of the head of a right-facing bust...Typical Sassanian (incl. Kushano-Sassanian) motif. The reverse would help pin it down, though.
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 Posted 01/15/2020  4:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One always hesitates to attempt ID's based on a pic of just one side of a coin. But to give you a sense of where my speculations about Kushano-Sassanian - and perhaps Hormazd in particular - are coming from, Jim, here are comparisons with different varieties of Hormazd I AE's.


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 Posted 01/15/2020  5:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeesh, I hate that you got burned like that.

From my experience in dealing with things like this, don't go to the seller begging for a refund. Go straight to eBay or even to PayPal and open a request, and state "Item is a counterfeit" in the description. They will side with you 100% of the time - the seller must immediately refund your money and if they want the items back, they must provide you with a prepaid shipping label as well.

It is distressing that some of these new fakes are tough to spot if they aren't associated to a known criminal seller. I have even put many coins in my watch list before realizing that they *must* be fakes if they come from that seller.

Your second lot shows some promise at least. I believe the two coins you had circled are both of Peroz I Kushanshah.
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 Posted 01/15/2020  7:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Novicius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again Bob, your knowledge base never ceases to amaze me. I really had no idea where to start looking, even with a picture search. The images you posted do look to be spot on. Unfortunately there wasn't a picture of the reverse sides of these coins, but it looks like you have nailed it.

Thank you @Finn235. When I did a picture search on Google for Peroz I Kushanshah, there were indeed images displayed that were a very close match to the coins I posted. It looks like the only way I'll find out is to bid on them, and if I win I'll be able to show the reverse of the coins as well.

I wrote to the seller today, to say that I wasn't happy with the coins, and got this reply;
"Hi the coins come from a top collector in London I paid way more for them than they actually sold for and I was advised differently at time of purchase. I said before it is no problem to return them to me for a refund if you wish it is no problem. "
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 Posted 01/15/2020  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Hi the coins come from a top collector in London I paid way more for them than they actually sold for


Uh, yeah, right.
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 Posted 01/15/2020  7:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Novicius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Bob L "Uh, yeah, right."
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 Posted 01/15/2020  8:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, of course he can say whatever he wants. Glad to hear he'll honor the return policy. That's good news.
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 Posted 01/16/2020  12:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Novicius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's not the first time I've heard that from a seller. The coins are on their way back at the moment.

I was lucky in my bid for the other coins, so hopefully will be able to post images of both sides soon.

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 Posted 01/21/2020  07:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Novicius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coins finally arrived with a dozen others. These were the coins in question, now showing both sides. I'm not sure about the orientation, so that could be wrong.

The first is 15 x 16 mm in diameter, and weighs around 3.0 gr.

The second is 16 x 17 mm in diameter, and weighs around 3.8 gr.

Jim
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 Posted 01/21/2020  07:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Regarding the top coin, left pic (obverse), Jim: the little projection/point at 1:00 is actually the bottom of that one. It's a right-facing bust.
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 Posted 01/21/2020  08:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Novicius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've changed the image Bob, and it looks better now.

Jim
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 Posted 01/21/2020  08:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find Jim....
Are both of Hormazd I?...The altar shape seems different between the two...I assume different types?
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 Posted 01/21/2020  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Novicius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure Paul. The coins all appear to be from the same era, and three of them have the altar reverse.

This is the third one. It is 18 x 17 mm in diameter, and about 3.4 gr.
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 Posted 01/21/2020  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Novicius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This one also looks like it may have an altar reverse, but it's difficult to tell. It is 16 x 17 mm in diameter, and weighs approximately 3.2 gr.
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 Posted 01/22/2020  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Novicius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is the last one that possibly has an altar reverse, though it's even more difficult to tell with this one. The coin is 15 x 17 mm in diameter, and weighs around 3.4 gr.
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