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A Ptolemy That Needs Attribution

 
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 Posted 01/17/2020  8:00 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Message




This weighs 14.0 grams and has a diameter of 24 mm.

I can read ptolemy basileus , and the head appears to be Zeus. However, I am having trouble narrowing the attribution further.
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 Posted 01/17/2020  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Probably Ptolemy II. It's a shield in the left reverse field with, apparently, no other devices. I have no idea what's with the black gunk. Hopefully the coin is kosher.

Recommend a search on the following at acsearch.info:

Ptolemy AE shield


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 Posted 01/17/2020  8:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Bob:

I am not sure about the black gunk either. It does not belong to me yet. I cannot detect any casting marks on my initial examination.
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 Posted 01/17/2020  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hm...

Bob, I did a search at your spot, and there a a lot that look very similar, but all of these are 26-27 mm and 17 grams. I am wondering if this is a sign that the coin is suspect?
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 Posted 01/17/2020  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure. I do see, in the group, a couple of smaller and lighter ones, but with a monogram over the shield. (Which may or may not be buried under the gunk on your coin)

Here's a 24mm, 14.68g specimen with shield:
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4017641

And a 26mm, 13.65g:
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2200493

The shield-AE's at ptolemybronze.com (the main website for these) seem mostly larger:
http://ptolemybronze.com/ptolemy_series.html
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 Posted 01/17/2020  9:59 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin looks like it was lacquered at one time which has turn black now. A soak in acetone might remove the old lacquer so more of the coin is visible.
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 Posted 01/18/2020  05:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will try the acetone. It can't hurt.

Update: Acetone removed some but not all of this black crud, and did not reveal anything else.

So I cannot get a match for the size and weight of this item.

Possibly this is underweight and undersize (which might explain why the inscription is nearly off the flan) or it not genuine.

There is a resource called "the PtolemAE project" which I will explore.
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01/18/2020 09:35 am
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 Posted 01/18/2020  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
There is a resource called "the PtolemAE project" which I will explore.


I believe that's the formal name of the ptolemybronze website I linked to above. The link I provided was to the catalog rather than the front page.
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 Posted 01/18/2020  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, @bobL, that is correct. Their catalogue and resource was good but led me to the same conclusion that the size and weights do not match anything published.

Given the situation I can't really offer to buy this item, so I will temporarily, at least, leave this mystery aside and return the item to its owner. I might get a chance down the road to let someone have a look at in in hand.

Thanks for the assistance.
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