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 Posted 02/17/2020  4:36 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add viper to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have my own opinion but I would like to have what the members here think?







Thanks to everyone that will give there opinion

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 Posted 02/17/2020  5:03 pm  Show Profile   Check gidjit's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add gidjit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ef45 scratches
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 Posted 02/17/2020  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Check nickelsguy's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
au harshly cleaned
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 Posted 02/17/2020  5:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wearwise, I think an XF-45, but it has been cleaned and there is some environmental damage and deep dings. I'd give it a "total" grade of VF-35. I don't see the D/C at the 7 tip to the denticle... is it there?
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 Posted 02/17/2020  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say AU details (scratched).
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 Posted 02/17/2020  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add papeldog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm thinking EF-45+ cleaned with scratches, it could make an AU-50 it only has slight wear on hair,cheek, and neck but with scratches I think drops in down to EF-45+
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 Posted 02/18/2020  04:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add viper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for you opinions!

This is what the coin was in. Also in an older 2 digit number, and not altered by me. So when they say buy the coin not the flip!



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 Posted 02/18/2020  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bosox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is why I rarely buy ICCS coins when I cannot examine them in hand. They have holdered quite a few damaged coins. I NEVER buy an ICCS coin without at least a decent photograph.

Before the ICCS defenders rise up, yes PCGS also makes mistakes. Their mistakes are usually grade related, not damage.
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 Posted 02/19/2020  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As bosox said .. "They have holdered quite a few damaged coins" ... and this one is just that ... damaged. The dark areas on the Obv are environmental corrosion. And there is a huge hole also on the Obv where there was corrosion that was cleaned off in back of her hair bun. I won't even mention again the dings and scratches. Why ICCS pays little or no attention to the surface, I have no idea. There's much more to a coin than how much actual wear that is there.
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