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Is There A List Of Modern Counterfeits?

 
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 Posted 02/21/2020  6:08 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Pertinax to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I was asked to advise on and value a number of old coins that my former cleaning lady had recently bought, probably on eBay.

Unfortunately, they were all well made counterfeit silver coins, instantly recognisable because they are magnetic.

Is anyone maintaining a list of such counterfeits?

Her coins are:

Mexico 1 peso 1872
New Zealand 1 dollar 1977 (a very common coin -why counterfeit ?)
Poland 5 zloty 1921
Poland 5 zloty 1926
Poland 5 zloty 1928
Poland 10 zloty 1937
Russia 1 rouble 1894

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 Posted 02/22/2020  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Malaysia 50 sen 2007 http://goccf.com/t/359641&SearchTerms=50,sen

I think we've also seen some counterfeit early 20th c. gold from German states out here, and there are a lot of counterfeit US silver dollars (1878 - 1930s) that have come up, though I'm not tuned in to the specific dates. Depending on how far back is considered "modern" we get back to 16th to 18th century thalers, where there are vast numbers of fakes being peddled by RUssian sellers on eBay.

(And sounds like you have a Polish cleaning lady?)
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02/22/2020 11:23 am
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For instance, eBay seller penumb16 has these (pretty good looking) fakes currently for sale:
1632 Poland Thaler, CIty of Torun
1649 Brabant Patagon
1678 Papal States Piastra
1579 Mansfeld Thaler

Similar merchandise for tati07071982, yupa8278, simo_373, bad-358.

Often "priced to sell" at $40. Equal opportunity: there's stuff from South America, Hawaii, UK, France, German States, Sweden, Poland.
I hadn't realized the 1880s Hawaiian series was being faked.

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 Posted 02/22/2020  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Pertinax, if someone is maintaining a list I suspect that it would be a long one and growing by the day.
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 Posted 02/22/2020  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All of penumb16's British coins are fantasies that bear no relation to genuine coins, apart from his 1651 Commonwealth sixpence, which he describes as a 'Six Shillings' - a denomination that didn't exist!
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 Posted 02/22/2020  4:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Based on my experience as an authenticator (about 40 years) I would say that you should presume that every coin could be a fake. A list of counterfeits would be out of date before it could be printed.

You need to be able to tell the difference in hand quickly and accurately. Magnetic coins that should be silver are easy - they are all bogus. But there are many others that even give the "experts" fits.

However, there are other considerations as well.

Counterfeits made with the correct alloy metal do exist.

Some Circulating Contemporary Counterfeits are worth more than genuine coins in the same grades.

Numismatic Forgeries made to deceive collectors (not for circulation) are of almost no value.
My book on Counterfeit Portrait 8Rs is available from Amazon http://ccfgo.com/TheUnrealReales or from me directly if you want it signed.
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