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A BEP Serial Numbering Mistake: Duplicated Serial Numbers Issued For 2013 New York Star Notes

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 Posted 11/18/2020  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have been away for a spell, it is interesting having the same S/N on two different bills, BUT...they are printed at two different locations; Fort Worth Texas and Washington D.C. I am not super savy on paper money printing, but are you saying that no two s/n should be the same between these two BEP's?
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 Posted 12/07/2020  7:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikev50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
just listed 2 more--B07077795* H3 FWH106 90 ----- B09315467* E5 FWE105 92-----------
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 Posted 01/12/2021  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Snoopydoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello oih82w8,

No, two notes, of the same denomination ($1), of the same series (2013), from the same (FRB) Federal Reserve Bank B-New York, is Ever supposed to have the same Serial Number, Ever, Ever, Ever, Regardless of being printed at two different facilities.

There are only Two Printing Facilities for all US Notes, that service all 12 FRB's. The BEP, issues printing orders for notes, authorizing how many, for what FRB, and which serial numbers can be used, etc.

If it made no difference because they were printed at different facilities, then they could purposefully print duplicated serial numbers and only need a 5 or 6 digit serial number, not 8, saving tons of money on ink and printing equipment. And there wouldn't be any need for Star Notes to begin with, if all they had to do was print a replacement note with the same serial number, just at a different facility.

No matter how you slice it, the BEP made a huge error having duplicated serial numbers printed, technically committing counterfeiting.

If something un-planned happens in the production of coins and currency and it makes it out into circulation, it's an Error.

This is an Error, even though PMG won't use the word error at this point, but said they may change their mind in the future.

But PMG currently trying to ignore the fact, in calling this error an error, is a whole different story.

Hope that helps.

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 Posted 01/12/2021  11:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Snoopydoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good Job Mikev50!
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 Posted 01/22/2021  1:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Snoopydoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a new article on the subject bu Mr Peter Huntoon.

https://www.numismaticnews.net/pape...rial-numbers
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 Posted 01/22/2021  1:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1993Z to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This reminds me I have 2 more notes I need to add to the spreadsheet that aren't listed.
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 Posted 02/20/2021  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stice2687 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Anyone have a list of the 2013 duplicates. I have emailed both people and submitted my duplicates and still no reply after 3 months. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
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 Posted 02/21/2021  12:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Snoopydoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry your having trouble getting a list.

Use the below link to Silverpickers video on these notes.

Once there he provides a link for submitting your note information and it puts you on the email list to get each months updated list.

Hope that helps, and I hope I did that right

I guess once I embedded the video, it doesn't show the link.

Let's try this.....


http://www.thesilverpicker.com/zwproject




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 Posted 03/02/2021  6:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Maris to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Have two new bills
B04080915* 2013
B03487725* 2013
you got the match ?
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 Posted 03/02/2021  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
B03487725* does actually match a note on the spreadsheet! Certainly send Karol Winograd (kwinograd@snet.net) an email about it. I (and probably others here) would love if you uploaded a picture of it.
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 Posted 03/30/2021  3:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Maris to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Found another 2013 B star bill
B08407773*
he updated list looks like every month
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 Posted 03/30/2021  6:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Snoopydoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
******************Project Update from Karol Winograd- Changing Direction********************************

It's been more than four years since Ed Zegers contacted me suggesting setting up a project to track all the 2013 B* notes and help collectors find a matching serial number notes for this BEP error of double printing. As I was already keeping a list of the ones in mine and my few close collector-friends' collections, it made a lot of sense to combine our efforts. Besides, Ed and I have already collaborated on few different US currency projects prior to that, so it was a very easy YES.

And I believe we accomplished what we set out to do. Since we started this project, there were 10 matching pair, or as Ed likes to call them, Twins, identified and confirmed. Yes, at times it was very challenging, but at the same time it was very gratifying to see all the new collectors joining our hobby.

But, time has come to change the scope of this project. After long deliberations we have come to a difficult decision to scale down the scope of our project. As of April 1 we will only be recording notes from Run-1, Serial Numbers 00000001 thru 00250000.

I know many of you will be very disappointed by this, but this project has been getting out of hands for a long time now. And with the number of notes reported, we want to concentrate on just the rarest group, which are the Run-1 notes.

Going forward I will be recording only Run-1 notes submitted to me. I will add these notes to my current spreadsheet. This way, in my monthly project status updates I will continue sending on the 1st or 2nd day of each month, you will continue seeing there all the Runs 2 and 3 notes recorded prior to April 1. This way you will still be able to check any new notes you come across against our spreadsheet. And if you happen to be fortunate to find a match, you can still contact me to help facilitate contacting the owner of the other note.

Best regards,
Karol

Above email recently went out to all who were currently in the project.

It has been so much fun to be a part of this project, and I will continue to keep everyone updated!! There are a few items being worked on in the background, and when there confirmed, I will post that here too. So while the project has shifted gears a bit, it's still going to be fun and exciting.
Remember, Karol will still be sending out an updated list each month, but only with additions from the first 250K Serial Numbers. You can still look for matches from all the runs, it's just now up to you to keep track of your notes, and if you find a match in your collection, to one on the list, then it's up to you to contact Karol just with that matching notes information, and he will still coordinate putting the two owners in contact with one another. (He will delete/ignore any other emails)
If you were already a part of the project, you will automatically still get the monthly updates in your email. If you weren't, then you can go to https://www.thesilverpicker.com/zwproject anytime for a copy of the latest list.
Take care, and Happy Hunting on this new Supernova Quest!!!
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