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1652 New England 3 Pence?

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 Posted 12/09/2020  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"I can't find any other examples with splits such as this planchet shows" - if you look through everything on this thread, the only other currently known example (MA Historical Society) also has planchet splits, and the plate from the stolen Yale example shows them as well. Some of the NE sixpence and shilling also show these minor defects. I wonder if you've looked these up. Regardless, we'll find out eventually, or not.
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 Posted 12/09/2020  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whatdowehavehere to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know that; I Live in MA near the Antiquarian Society (The MHS is a great place to visit!). Please reread: "...Splits such as these..."; these splits are contrived. There is no clear evidence of circulation, especially for such a nearly device-free coin. Doesn't matter anyway: the punch is incorrect. I shared this with a person who is familiar with MA silver, and with someone who has contributed his Colonial knowledge to The RedBook for decades (and he has actually seen the rumored "hoard" of Sanderson). I'm sure that they are unaware of this thread. I'll post responses.
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 Posted 12/09/2020  8:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whatdowehavehere to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
a quick note from my C4 friend Mike: "...saw this a couple of years ago. There's a company across the pond that makes Mass silver pieces. I think 1 or more of the ordinals are a bit off from the Mass Historical Society's piece"
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 Posted 12/09/2020  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steviegetz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Whatdowehavehere I'm intrigued now, whats the so called" hoard of sanderson?"
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 Posted 12/09/2020  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whatdowehavehere to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Steviegetz: Sanderson (or Saunderson) had a daughter whom he gifted with her weight in minted Silver, so the story goes. I asked him about it, and matter-of-factly he said that hew saw (what was left of it). The family doesn't need the money, so to speak. It's almost like the family that had a big box of First Charter National sheets (Aces and Lazies) on The Home Bank of Milford MA.
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12/09/2020 10:18 pm
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 Posted 12/09/2020  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steviegetz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thats very interesting if some of that hoard still exist, I always took it an an old urban legend or a good story sort of speak enhanced by nathanial hawthorne. Jw do u know the company across the pomd that makes the copys? Id love to add one to my collection,
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 Posted 12/09/2020  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whatdowehavehere to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yuh I know it sound like a story, but if I mentioned his name... I won't do it of course, but the 'Legend' is Real. I know that I've seen some of their work before, and it's scary good. But, if you're like a fish who thinks that every bit of juicy bait has a hook in it, you can see the differences.
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 Posted 12/09/2020  11:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add That Coin Dude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is the single most exciting topic I've ever looked at! My heart is throbbing for new news!
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 Posted 12/10/2020  12:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whatdowehavehere to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Years and years ago, at 2pm of a monthly Sunday show, I plucked a Willow Tree Shilling from a small basket of Abbasid Dirhams. The dealer was very impressed-I knew that it was a WTS even though it was very worn (for some reasons it couldn't have been an Oak Tree). Great story behind it-and he just stuck it in that basket having no real idea about it. Everyone missed it, bought it "as is" for a grand, and I used some of the profit for a Diamond for my ex's engagement ring (hint: don't do that, plus we did give back some to the dealer). Yes, things do pop-up in the most unlikely of places-doesn't mean that they are always real, though
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 Posted 12/10/2020  04:05 am  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say this, I know NOTHING about these coins and won't pretend to know a thing. That said I think the surfaces would be very difficult to replicate on a counterfeit unless the counterfeit itself is period. The latter is possible, but I think, going off a hunch, that there's a decent chance it's real.
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 Posted 12/10/2020  2:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1796NoPole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, some interesting discussion going on here. Is that Willow Tree of yours floating around the market now? I'd love it if you could point out in Heritage or such which coin was the one you discovered. Very classy of you to thank the dealer with some of the profits; I'd do that too, except I'd just have too hard a time selling the coin at all!
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 Posted 12/10/2020  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whatdowehavehere to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1796NoPole: I called (someone) and asked if they'd like it for their auction (fledgling at the time). I was told that they had about four of them, so no. I then called Dana, and asked him if he wanted it for his auction. He couldn't say "Yes!" fast enough. Then two minutes later the first people called back-they had made a mistake-they had Pine Tree Shillings-and would love to sell our Willow. Dana sold it in one of his EAHA sales, early 1999, for 10K plus the vig.
The story behind it: it was found under the floorboards of the oldest house in Brewster MA a couple of weeks before. The finder gave it to the dealer to sell, and whom beyond any reasons that I can think of, stuck it in a basket of Abbasids, and if someone saw it, ok...

The same Coin Shop, in the space of a year or so, had walk in: A Red Seal $50 National, a small-bank Texas $20 Red SEal, a Brown Back Arkansas $20, the Unique Higley 1739 3.1-D colonial, and the MS64 MA Cent 1787 R. 4-J. Yup, great stuff is still "out there"; but with something like that NE 3d, well, I'd be most cautious-especially because "things don't add up" about it
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 Posted 12/13/2020  05:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1796NoPole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dear God, they got a Higley and didn't know what it was?! Or are you just saying that they had those items come through to illustrate what a heavy hitter the shop is? If so, I can't imagine how they failed to recognize the Willow Tree.

I actually looked into acquiring both a Willow Tree or a Higley recently; I made an offer for one of the former, but the guy wanted like 20k for it, and there don't seem to be any examples of the latter that are obtainable with my max budget. I'd gladly have paid 10k plus juice in 1999, if I was collecting coins yet then; I happened to be 1 year old, lol.
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 Posted 12/15/2020  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whatdowehavehere to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Clarify: the Willow Tree Shilling was bought from a Cape Cod dealer (Cape Cod is where the "WM" New Jersey colonial was found); one coin & stamp shop in Worcester MA had the Higley, Red Seals et al, come through the doors in a space of a year's time. The shop was far from being a "heavy hitter: the owner refused all Bullion deals over 5-figs, let's say. He knew what the Higleys were, but offered that one to me "as is", genuine or not, for a one-shot take-it-or-leave-it. But, if an old lady can find a NE 6D in a frozen potato field near Long Island, anything is possible
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 Posted 01/22/2021  2:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add That Coin Dude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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