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New Clash Marks On Pc59-17

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 Posted 04/05/2020  4:29 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Hounddog Bill to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Well Phil if your going to add the info on the PC59-15 here's some undocumented info on the PC59-17 also.
Here's a late state picture of PC59-17 showing the rather large die collapse (Reported) and as you can see a unreported clash at the top of the reverse.
Site states no known clash.
There also may be some additional die cracks?

Cheers, Bill

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 Posted 04/05/2020  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, I have a couple like that as well with the clash.
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 Posted 04/05/2020  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fourmack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have 2 as well

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 Posted 04/05/2020  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Check TerryT's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ditto, die clash both sides. It should be stage 7 (before crack at 10 joins 11), and has the leaf 12 to 15 cracks like state 7/8/9, but the leaf 4 crack is less developed than the stage 6 photo.

If anyone is changing data, the field bent should be leaf 15-O-C-leaf 12, not along the O-N-9 die crack (not O-E-9).
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 Posted 04/06/2020  10:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phil310 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We will look over all of this great information and see what changes need to be made to the die states for E7 and E7b in the catalog.

There will be many new intermediate states that turn up for the 1859 dies, especially in the later states as the dies deteriorated and there were minute changes to almost every coin struck near the end of a die's use (if you could have seen the coin in it's mint state before wear began to hide the expansion of cracks, collapse, and die clashes).

Some of the changes will be significant enough to be listed in the catalog, and some may not. Since we are not going to be changing existing die state numbers for new states, but will add a new die state with a decimal (4.5 for a state between current states 4 and 5) That way collections won't have to be constantly renumbered. And even if a state is not yet listed in the catalog, collectors can add the decimal designation in their records to show it is an intermediate state.

It's great to see these examples of interesting die states posted on the forum. Thanks!
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