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What Does The Xxi Represent.

 
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 Posted 04/09/2020  09:24 am Show Profile   Check MetDet71's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add MetDet71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Got this nice Antoninianus of Maximianus, what does the lettering in the exergue mean? Is it a reference to office or something to do with silver content or similar?
I am presuming the H above the exergue is for the Heraclea mint...

Many thanks,
Kevin.



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 Posted 04/09/2020  09:40 am  Show Profile   Check paralyse's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lovely coin (can we see the obverse too?

See RIC V 621 for a similar Victory on globe reverse but with a different legend - yours is IOVI CONSERVATORI AVGG
The XXI is the denomination or value mark (20:1 ratio of bronze to silver by a common interpretation, cf. Doug Smith)

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Edit: corrected Officina H not Heraclea -- thanks Sap!!
I call that a pre-coffee mistake!!
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 Posted 04/09/2020  09:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Silver content - traditionally interpreted as 20 (XX) parts copper to one (I) part silver (this means roughly .047 silver content, or very low grade billon).
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Thank you for that, and sorry, here is the other side :-
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 Posted 04/09/2020  10:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"H" is not short for Heraclea - they hadn't yet invented the first-letter-of-the-city-name concept of a mintmark when this coin was made. H is the Greek numeral 8, meaning the eighth officina (minting-house within the city). Exactly which city isn't stated on the coin; we need to rely on archaeological evidence to know the city of origin is Antioch.
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 Posted 04/09/2020  10:23 am  Show Profile   Check MetDet71's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add MetDet71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Sap. I wasn't sure on that point I just presumed.
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 Posted 04/10/2020  08:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is more to this story.

So we know we have XXI as a value mark and whether it is 20:1 ratio or 21 as a value is still debated.

Let me focus in on Tacitus:-

Here is a normal Antioch with XXI:-



They also produced Doublevalue coins with XI rather than XXI



On some issues the value mark was represented in Greek letters i.e. KA

(This coins from Serdica for illustration)



Tripolis produced a double value coin with IA



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Martin
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 Posted 04/10/2020  09:06 am  Show Profile   Check MetDet71's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add MetDet71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting stuff Martin, thank you for sharing.
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Got this Diocletian as well, which mint would this be from please?

Thanks, Kevin.



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