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1941 Ireland Republic 1/2 Penny, Repunched 9 And 4 Or Something Else?

 
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 Posted 06/06/2020  1:26 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
While looking through some world coins I have I came across this 1941 Ireland 1/2 penny with what looks like either repunched 9 and 4 in the date or possibly Machine Doubling but what throws me off is the split in the 4.

These coins are not my area of expertise so I was hoping someone may know.

Thanks in advance!



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1989 Belize 25 Cent's with a Doubled Die Reverse http://goccf.com/t/362747
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@jw7, I see what you are talking about on the number 4, but that steplike doubling sure looks like MD to me.
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@jw7, I see what you are talking about on the number 4, but that steplike doubling sure looks like MD to me.


This is my conclusion as well, most MD I've seen has been less severe and not as "clean" but that could be due to the size compared to this coin, most MD I find are on small cents, this is the size of a Large Cent so that could be taken into consideration.
Aggressively searching Canadian Small Cents on a daily basis since 2018.

Some of my Discoveries.
1941 George VI 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/367977
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/373627
1970 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDR http://goccf.com/t/364301
1989 Belize 25 Cent's with a Doubled Die Reverse http://goccf.com/t/362747
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You know that is a good question and one to which I don't know the answer: is the distinctness of MD related to the size of the coin being struck? I haven't ever heard of a correlation like this, but hopefully someone here can address that for us.
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What throws me off even more is both of the 1's on the left and right of the "94" are completely un-affected and look normal, not sure if that means anything but hopefully someone may know. It is an interesting coin none the less.

Usually if it was a Doubled Die you would notice the spread progressing or reducing further along but that does not seem to be the case with this. I also don't see how MD can affect only the middle digits and not the surrounding ones so it's a bit confusing at this point.
Aggressively searching Canadian Small Cents on a daily basis since 2018.

Some of my Discoveries.
1941 George VI 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/367977
1976 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDO http://goccf.com/t/373627
1970 Queen Elizabeth II 1 Cent DDR http://goccf.com/t/364301
1989 Belize 25 Cent's with a Doubled Die Reverse http://goccf.com/t/362747
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The size and shape of the digits aren't affected so I don't think it's Machine Doubling. There is some notching visible and this tapering-off of the doubling as it gets closer to the rim wouldn't happen with Machine Doubling. I doubt whatever mint this was made at would hand-punch digits that large into the die, especially in the mid 20th-century, so I doubt repunched date as well.

The US Mints inadvertently made doubled dies similar to this during the same time period. A good example of this is 1942 1c DDR-005 which has incredibly wide doubling. However, this doubling is very isolated. Only the ON in ONE and the CE in CENT is affected, even letters directly adjacent to these show no signs of doubling. Example: http://www.varietyvista.com/01a%20L...2PDDR005.htm

But maybe that's not a good comparison as this coin was definitely not made at a US Mint.

I think there is a possibility your coin is a doubled die, there is precedence for this kind of strong but isolated doubling.
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