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1919 Cent Is It PMD Or What Is It?

 
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 Posted 08/10/2020  9:08 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add 47P7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
It will be easy to say it is PMD. that was my first thought.
But, if we look close, the denticles follow the curvatures and are not damaged.(for lack of a better word) IMO, if it is a cut, the denticles would have to be cut also.
How can we explain this damage?
or is it not damage? what was it caused by or how?
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 Posted 08/10/2020  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This has to be damage, there is no collar in this shape, every so often someone tries to make a many sided nickel from a round one. Someone just protected one side of a vice and squeezed
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 Posted 08/10/2020  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Straight damage plus corrosion spots, just a filler.
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 Posted 08/10/2020  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The edge photo speaks volumes, everything was pushed in from the edge, after the strike. The denticles are designs on the anvil and hammer dies, so it would be impossible to create a matching pair of production dies that look like that. Also, you have to remember, you cannot have a fully formed rim, unless it is struck fully in collar.

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 Posted 08/10/2020  10:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How can we explain this damage?

See how the rim is flattened directly opposite the indentations.

You can do this in your garage.

Take a large cent between your thumb and finger, hold one edge against the concrete floor.
Take a rather small ball-peen hammer in your other hand and smack the ball against the upper edge of the coin (quite sharply).
Repeat as necessary, being careful to avoid your fingers.
You will have answered your own question.
Post the results tomorrow.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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08/10/2020 11:12 pm
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 Posted 08/10/2020  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 47P7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, Thanks,
I believe you guys

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my garage is full with junk! No room for a work table..
need to have a garage sale or better give most of it away...
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 Posted 08/11/2020  07:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DBM ... you need to have a piece of leather (an old belt) between the hammer and the coin
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@ okiecoiner
Do you think that I have never tried this?
No leather required in this instance, nor for any other edge work such as spooning etc., it's only needed for overstrikes, double strikes, flip strikes etc.
Though not required, leather is handy for holding the coin with vise-grips while you smack the edge.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 08/11/2020  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I have a large leather belt cut up in pieces for experiments and putting under kitchen chair legs for the wood floor .. cutting the little circles is tough. They don't make anything plastic/rubber new that will do the job of leather.
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