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 Posted 09/02/2020  03:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numis-Northerner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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. with a less than flattering bust of Alfred the Great.


With all due respect to the designer, whom I imagine has been deceased for the better part of 200 years, I think "Alfred the average" would have fit better.
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 Posted 09/02/2020  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add blargish to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
TerryT, funnily enough, I came across that exact same die variety when I was sent the coin in error after a recent eBay purchase. I share the seller's image below, as I have since returned the coin.



In Anton and Kesse's Forgotten Coins of the North American Colonies (1992), a 1774-dated farthing with the same error and of similar obverse design is listed as #107.

The coin shows similarities to the "Wedge Top Sevens" and "Topless Ordinals" families of Moore et al.'s recent attempt to catalogue counterfeits in "Contemporary Counterfeit Halfpenny & Farthing Families" (2018). Both those families are denoted as "summary families" and have not been completely researched; they show similarities, and are occasionally muled, with other families. They tentatively assign Anton-Kesse 107 to the "Topless Ordinals" family based on the original plate image.

I've only started working my way through the book. The authors definitely had (and have) their work cut out for them with the sheer complexity and volume of contemporary counterfeit varieties!

Tom and Numis-Northerner, it almost appears to me that the caricature-like image was done purposefully... for what reason I do not know.
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 Posted 09/03/2020  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Check TerryT's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks so much for that info, Blargish. One of the few I can mark a number for.
Here are 2 thin 1773 farthings (not as reddish as photos). Left one is 3.65 gm., 22.5 mm.. Right one is 2.57 gm., 22 mm.. It looks like they actually circulated a lot.





While looking over my other ones, I think this one was made with the same dies as the left one above. It's heavier and thicker, 4.02gm., smaller in diameter, 22 mm. but has the same details.



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09/03/2020 6:37 pm
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 Posted 09/03/2020  11:42 pm  Show Profile   Check ryurazu's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ryurazu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i always wonder if people would have gotten angry at receiving money like this even back then? I know you be angry at getting fake silver, but when it fake copper I wonder if people would get angry when they traded it for like a bar of soap.
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 Posted 09/04/2020  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Check TerryT's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A couple of 1775 halfpenny evasions: DELECTAT RUS / CLAUDUIS ROMANUS. First one, 5.95g., looks like it's brass. The other is 6.11g. and has extra metal on the shield - could be die clash - there are other areas. 2 numbers came with this one - Atkins 50, Cobwright C120/D0060, but there were ? after them so can't be sure.





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09/04/2020 7:44 pm
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 Posted 09/09/2020  5:55 pm  Show Profile   Check TerryT's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Two more 1773 farthings, maybe regal ? maybe not?

First one is 4.60 gms., a little banged up.




Second one is 4.46 gms. and has the 3 attached to the line above it. Fat 7's.



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 Posted 09/17/2020  01:46 am  Show Profile   Check TerryT's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Am I the only one with these coins ? Oh well, I'll keep posting.

Here are 2 other skinny farthings, can't tell the dates, 2.30 and 2.05 grams. Second one has a die crack from the 7 upwards.





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09/17/2020 01:47 am
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