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 Posted 12/23/2020  01:46 am  Show Profile   Check TerryT's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1773 halfpenny - lots of "stretch marks", bumps on the king's neck, strange 1. 8.95 gm., 29-29.5mm. Britannia has a striking resemblance to Olive Oyl (ask your parents).




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12/23/2020 01:50 am
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 Posted 12/23/2020  02:23 am  Show Profile   Check daltonista's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add daltonista to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

TerryT, it looks like an earthquake hit right in the middle of that strike!

But also: what are the two perfect little circular shapes in Britannia's lap? They struck me initially as plugs, but nothing shows on the obverse.

I never pay too much for my tokens...but every now and then I may buy one a little too soon.

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 Posted 12/23/2020  3:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sjkrose to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
TerryT
Your coin is known as a Aging George variety (38-73K) and is documented in "Contemporary Counterfeit Halfpenny and Farthing Families". This variety comes paired with 3 different obverse dies as shown below... The dots where used when creating the dies as a mean for centering the device elements... the dots also appear on many of the obverses and reverses dies within this family.

Rickie





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 Posted 12/23/2020  5:12 pm  Show Profile   Check daltonista's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add daltonista to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fascinating! I learn something new here every day, and I've been collecting various exonumismaniacal subsets of "the British World" for over 40 years.

Thanks to TerryT and sjkrose!
I never pay too much for my tokens...but every now and then I may buy one a little too soon.

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12/23/2020 5:46 pm
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 Posted 12/23/2020  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add blargish to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What is the cause of those "stretch marks"? Some sort of disruption during the striking process?
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 Posted 12/23/2020  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sjkrose to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
blargish
I believe the word is "Isostasy", which is the term used when the metal has flow lines from the legend radially outward. I believe this was discussed in the book "From Crimes to Punshment" by Dr. Philip L. Mossman

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 Posted 12/24/2020  3:59 pm  Show Profile   Check TerryT's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the ID, sjrose. You nailed it 38-73K !!
Love this thread, finally get to see all these coins in one spot.
Here's another 1773 1/2p. I think this obverse occurs on other years also.


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 Posted 12/25/2020  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sjkrose to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
TerryT
This is a Slanted Sevens Family member which comprised several different dates. (1731, 1733, 1734, 1737, 1773, 1774 and 1775) I can't say that I've seen obverse die match with other dates but it certainly being flush out by other collectors. Happy Holidays to all...

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 Posted 01/03/2021  02:23 am  Show Profile   Check TerryT's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What's wrong with those of us who hold onto these beat-up old things ?



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 Posted 01/03/2021  10:18 am  Show Profile   Check daltonista's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add daltonista to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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What's wrong with those of us who hold onto these beat-up old things ?

Nothing's wrong with us at all, because WE know we can resell them at any time for a fantastic return on our initial investment! (Ssshhh...it's a secret.)

This eBay listing was posted on New Year's Day. Sorry, I have no attribution for it.


May 2021 be significantly less suboptimal for us all!
Tom
I never pay too much for my tokens...but every now and then I may buy one a little too soon.

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01/03/2021 11:47 am
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 Posted 01/03/2021  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sjkrose to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tom,
That would be a Long Neck family member (LN-1A). BTW, halfpennies on farthing planchet do exist but most of the ones I've seen have been cut down manually. (Post Strike Damage)
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 Posted 01/16/2021  02:43 am  Show Profile   Check TerryT's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A 1773 that I think was cast. The missing-metal areas just don't look like the usual rusted-out areas to me (could be wrong). Some kind of raised ridge from the spear to the face, and more raised spots on the obverse (under V, in front of the chin, and by the ribbons).





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 Posted 01/16/2021  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sjkrose to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
TerryT,
I think your piece may be a grounder... what your seeing is a die break on the reverse. Here's Mike Ringo specimen of the same variety!

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 Posted 01/20/2021  01:43 am  Show Profile   Check TerryT's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TerryT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sometimes a grounder turns into an extra base hit. It looks much better in hand so I'll classify it as a beat-the-throw, slide-in double.

Here's what looks like a long-necked 1774 (dipped). Large letters and a high 4. Could be a small clip under the king.





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01/20/2021 01:45 am
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 Posted 01/21/2021  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sjkrose to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
TerryT,
That one is the Coin-Y family member... This family was first documented by Peck, as one of the 5 counterfeit halfpence listed within his encyclopedic. This variety is classified as a family mule, which mean the obverse is Romanhead and reverse is Coin-Y. Enjoy...

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