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Variety Grading By TPGs -- 1999 Wide AM Red MS68 (Nicks?)

 
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 Posted 09/30/2020  5:43 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add shantiom to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
https://coins.ha.com/itm/lincoln-ce...745276007.s#

How is this an MS 68, with the nicks, and the striations on Lincoln's lips, forehead, coat, and elsewhere on the obverse. Using a 10X loupe, one could identify this. This is 4000+coin. What about the coin, justifies this grade so I can learn compensating qualities for the grading. It does not make sense.
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 Posted 09/30/2020  5:58 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh no, nobody's gonna say that this is accurately graded. This is a MS66 coin IMO, overgraded by 2 points. Again, buy the coin not the holder.
My best finds: 1999-WAM:http://goccf.com/t/332161 1988-RDV-6:http://goccf.com/t/335954#2873459 1986-Off-center: http://goccf.com/t/335952
1999 WAM #2:http://goccf.com/t/338710&whichpage=1
1981 Double Struck In Collar: http://goccf.com/t/350199&whichpage=1
ANA id: 3194067
My Type Set: https://www.NGCcoin.com/registry/co...sets/236574/
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 Posted 09/30/2020  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shantiom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks @GrapeCollects, I CAM across this one because I think in its a registery. is there a thread that opines on grade inflation with registery coins?
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 Posted 09/30/2020  6:50 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In fact there is, the thread gained little traction overall however.

http://goccf.com/t/351825
My best finds: 1999-WAM:http://goccf.com/t/332161 1988-RDV-6:http://goccf.com/t/335954#2873459 1986-Off-center: http://goccf.com/t/335952
1999 WAM #2:http://goccf.com/t/338710&whichpage=1
1981 Double Struck In Collar: http://goccf.com/t/350199&whichpage=1
ANA id: 3194067
My Type Set: https://www.NGCcoin.com/registry/co...sets/236574/
If you want to buy something or sell something or just talk, shoot me a PM!
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 Posted 09/30/2020  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shantiom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again @GrapeCollects. Here is another one:

Where can I learn from a book or videos to grade coins? In the thread you sent, there was an excellent analysis analyzing the devices on the Canadian coin and how to asses whether the strike is full or not, or whether there is another wear issue (such as hair lines worn at forehead means no higher than MS 62, just as an example). For new folks to the hobby, and during COVID, the opportunities to acquire are mainly sight unseen. I had been using PHOROGRADE, but know I feel I need to learn on my own...any suggestions. I collect nickels and one site on the FS really helped.
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 Posted 10/01/2020  03:45 am  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Where can I learn from a book or videos to grade coins?


I'm gonna give you the flat answer, you can't. Books, pictures and videos are great once you already know how to do it. I like to think of it as me asking you to cook a 5* French meal when all you've ever made before is a Lean Cuisine. There's some middle ground you have to cover there.


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the opportunities to acquire are mainly sight unseen


I'm assuming you mean not having seen it in hand vs not having seen it at all (photos).


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I had been using PHOROGRADE


Garbage. Hot steaming pile of garbage. I will never recommend photograde as a tool to learn grading because all it tells you to do is compare your coin to the one pictured and guesstimate. There are SO many points that can go wrong with that, it's just not worth your time.

I learned to grade from CCF, and the way I learned was by asking the right questions with the wrong answers. If you post a coin and ask for a grade, don't accept the grades given at face value. Ask why it gets the grade that it does and not a grade 1 value higher or lower. Look at coins in hand and compare them that way. The last time I crash coursed someone in grading it took around 6 hours. They new almost nothing at the start and at the end they could grade decently well. I'm proud to say I still have room to improve, I suck at grading Indian cents. Can't grade a circulated one worth a crap, but I'm learning and making an effort to learn.


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I collect nickels and one site on the FS really helpe


Link? I'm gather material for another sort of forum article I'm writing and would like to see this site as it pertains to the topic of the article.
My best finds: 1999-WAM:http://goccf.com/t/332161 1988-RDV-6:http://goccf.com/t/335954#2873459 1986-Off-center: http://goccf.com/t/335952
1999 WAM #2:http://goccf.com/t/338710&whichpage=1
1981 Double Struck In Collar: http://goccf.com/t/350199&whichpage=1
ANA id: 3194067
My Type Set: https://www.NGCcoin.com/registry/co...sets/236574/
If you want to buy something or sell something or just talk, shoot me a PM!
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 Posted 10/01/2020  08:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shantiom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here you go: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/th...cally.49827/

Also, does this analysis get generally accepted on the vertical segments of the FS review: https://coinweek.com/coins/coin-pro...rson-nickel/
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