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Possible Fake Bust $1 On Ebay

 
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 Posted 10/09/2020  11:16 pm Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Usually these are pretty cut and dry, but for some reason I'm conflicted on this one. Not a bust coin guy, so I figured I let the public figure it out. It looks off to me but there isn't 1 thing that calls it for me.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1803-Drape...203071262345
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 Posted 10/09/2020  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fake IMO. Date looks off. It looks too consistent and "modern" if you will. Relief of the date is also looks too high, especially considering the condition of the coin. I think where I was going with this is the date maintains a roundness that for 1) is uncharacteristic of an authentic 1803 and 2) does not share the same circulation flattening that the rest of the coin has.

Edit: I'm by no means an expert on this series, just an observation.
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 Posted 10/10/2020  01:59 am  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those were my observations as well. Usually I'm pretty on the nose with fakes but this one made me uncomfortable for some reason.
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 Posted 10/10/2020  07:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not much beauty here. Looks sort of real, with a tooled date.
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 Posted 10/10/2020  07:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it is authentic, the hole would be in a great place to be plugged for a change.
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 Posted 10/10/2020  07:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The hole would put me off, fake or not.
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 Posted 10/10/2020  08:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The date logo looks wrong to me.
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 Posted 10/10/2020  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd keep away just because of the hole.
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 Posted 10/10/2020  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The hole looks too new, and it's in a wrong location for jewelry use. Note the sharpness of the edge of the hole on the reverse.

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 Posted 10/10/2020  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Modeled on an 1803 B-6, the date style and placement is correct, BUT the coin is well worn with the stars and LIBERTY flat, but the date digits are rounded with no sign of flattening from wear. I'd say they used a worn coin to make a hub and removed the date then punched the correct font date into the die taking care to get the placement of the digits right (They may have even created a four digit logotype punch to do so) but that left the date not matching the wear seen on the rest of the coin.
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 Posted 10/10/2020  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As Conder has indicated, a well set up workshop is quite capable of making hub dies from genuine coins.

Charles M. Larson in his book 'Numismatic Forgery' indicates how hub dies from genuine coins are made.

I agree with the view that there appears to be differential wear between the date and the rest of the coin and the reasons why this appears to be so.

90% silver stock sourced from genuine coins is what I would expect for the material for this coin. Therefore, XRF analysis would be useless in this case.
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 Posted 10/11/2020  09:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin has a raised rim - fake.
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 Posted 10/11/2020  12:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Worn dentilation gives the appearance of a rim Slider.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-doll...ot=1&x=0&y=0

I'm no buyer for this, but still question whether it's not a tooled real coin. The rim lettering looks pretty good.
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 Posted 10/11/2020  12:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The date really looks suspicious to me, but as @Conder101 pointed out, the shape of the numbers and date location are correct. And as @fortcollins noted, the hole definitely looks recently drilled--I'm wondering if it was determined to be a fake, perhaps by weight or metal analysis, and someone drilled the hole to deface it and destroy the value.
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