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1780 Maria Taller Restrike Struck On Undersized Planchet

 
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 Posted 10/20/2020  9:34 pm Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
While going some of my MTs recently I noticed something with one of them. The coin is visibly smaller then my others, though not my a large margin.

This is best showcased by the SF under the bust on the obverse falling off the coin, and the bottom of the reverse falling off as well.

In addition, and possibly most interesting, is the edge. MTs have a design on the edge, it's not lettering and admittedly I'm not sure what the proper term is, but the design on the edge of this one is much thicker and more raised by far then all of my other MTs.

I have little experience in MTs other than collecting a few that caught my eye due to toning, so I'd appreciate someone much more versed then myself informing me about this piece.

I'm sorry the reverse image is sort of yellow washed, my phone tends to do that with darker or lustrous coins for some reason.



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1999 WAM #2:http://goccf.com/t/338710&whichpage=1
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 Posted 10/21/2020  03:23 am  Show Profile   Check norantyki's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add norantyki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you provide a weight? That is the most important detail in determining exactly what is going on. These have been struck for so long, that there is bound to be some variation in plachets used, etc. But, as a trade (later bullion) coin, the fineness and weight are the things that should always be constant.
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 Posted 10/21/2020  04:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Might be a shaved edge coin. People shave the edge of a bunch of silver or gold coins to gather up precious metal shavings then melt it. When they have enough to sell they do.
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 Posted 10/21/2020  07:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it is genuine, but has had it's dignity removed by shaving, it should be under weight.
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 Posted 10/22/2020  12:01 am  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry for the delay! I had to get new batteries for the scale so that caused a delay. Weight is 28g on the dot
My best finds: 1999-WAM:http://goccf.com/t/332161 1988-RDV-6:http://goccf.com/t/335954#2873459 1986-Off-center: http://goccf.com/t/335952
1999 WAM #2:http://goccf.com/t/338710&whichpage=1
1981 Double Struck In Collar: http://goccf.com/t/350199&whichpage=1
ANA id: 3194067
My Type Set: https://www.NGCcoin.com/registry/co...sets/236574/
If you want to buy something or sell something or just talk, shoot me a PM!
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10/22/2020 12:02 am
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 Posted 10/22/2020  03:54 am  Show Profile   Check norantyki's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add norantyki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hiya, that weight is spot on. I suspect that the planchet was simply a bit smaller, but within mint tolerances. This would also explain why the edge lettering is more pronounced - as the metal had more space to move, it provided a higher relief in the collar. Again, these have been produced over such a long period, there is bound to be some sort of variance - as trade and later bullion issues, the weight and purity are the key metrics for the mint to keep standard.
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 Posted 10/22/2020  04:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erafjel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think yours could be struck in Birmingham, some examples from there are on a slightly smaller planchet. Here is another example: https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/ci...Default.aspx
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 Posted 10/22/2020  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Check norantyki's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add norantyki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good thinking @erafiel - I had completely forgotten about the Birmingham strikes.
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 Posted 10/22/2020  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys! I appreciate the help and info on this.
My best finds: 1999-WAM:http://goccf.com/t/332161 1988-RDV-6:http://goccf.com/t/335954#2873459 1986-Off-center: http://goccf.com/t/335952
1999 WAM #2:http://goccf.com/t/338710&whichpage=1
1981 Double Struck In Collar: http://goccf.com/t/350199&whichpage=1
ANA id: 3194067
My Type Set: https://www.NGCcoin.com/registry/co...sets/236574/
If you want to buy something or sell something or just talk, shoot me a PM!
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